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In Los Angeles teachers were evaluated by the Los Angeles Times and publicly labeled as “effective” or “ineffective” based solely on test scores. Understandably other teachers are afraid this will happen to them.
If teachers are to be evaluated on the basis of standardized test scores, these tests must be:
Wide-range and able to measure the progress of each child in the class;
Different each year (no peeking);
Professionally administered and handled by someone outside the district;
Designed to measure teacher effectiveness in the opinion of the majority of testing experts;
Valid and reliable in the opinion of the majority of testing experts.
Sound expensive? Yes, and that’s just part of the problem.
An enjoyable document from Students First(sic)
it took me two seconds to debunk your claim that the LA times is making the argument that value added test scores are all that matter. why don’t you go read their web page that features the data:
within a minute you’ll note the Times FAQs say:
Do value-added scores tell you everything you need to know about a teacher or school?
Not at all. Even many advocates of the method say it should count for no more than half of a teacher’s overall evaluation. Other factors might include classroom observations, the quality of students’ classroom work and instructors’ abilities in subjects other than English and math. Similarly, parents looking for a school for their child may also want to consider factors such as the school’s API score, course and extracurricular offerings and their own impressions of the teachers and campus.
daprofessor needs to go Back to School for reading
LATimes rated teachers based upon test scores.
Not a good day for daprofessor.
yes they did report value added for profs philly poo
but linda’s assertion was that LA Times claimed scores could be used as the sole way to assess how good a teacher is.
my link (from the LA Times itself) proves conclusively that LA Times did not make that argument. LA Times reported test scores. Duh. But they also issued a clear caveat in their FAQs that says test scores should not be seen as the only way to measure teacher quality.
How does that contradict anything I said?
From the LATimes:
Teachers blast L.A. Times for releasing effectiveness rankings
The Times made public an analysis of L.A. Unified third- through fifth-grade teachers based on student test scores.
August 30, 2010|By Jason Song, Los Angeles Times
National and local teachers unions sharply criticized The Times on Sunday when the newspaper published a database of about 6,000 third- through fifth-grade city school teachers ranked by their effectiveness in raising student test scores
Education Reform Hero Mitch Daniels in reality:
are you seriously dense?
no one in this comment thread ever said that LA Times did not release teacher value added scores. both Linda and I agree that, in fact, they did such a thing. great, thanks for confirming what we all agree on.
the disagreement is on whether LA Times said that the value added scores they released WERE THE ONLY VALID WAY AND THE ONLY WAY THAT ONE SHOULD JUDGE TEACHER QUALITY.
I criticized Linda for making that second assertion. I then provided a direct quote from the LA Times FAQs on their Teacher Database which contradicts that notion.
What have you added to this comment thread that in anyway contradicts my contradiction of Linda?
Please read my post again. I did not say that the Los Angeles Times said that teachers should be evaluated solely on the basis of test scores. Actually, they specifically stated that tests should only be one part of a teacher’s evaluation.
What I said was that the Los Angeles Times rated teachers as “effective” or “not effective” based solely on test scores. If my memory serves me correctly, they did this in 2010. After a barrage of criticisms, the paper later said that test scores should just be one part of a teacher’s evaluation.
No, daprofessor engages in the typical professional education reformers’ strategy of building straw-men, a practice well-honed by the previous POTUS.
Thanks for the shout out, Andy. And the straw man point well taken.
From The Research VS. The Rhetoric by Lisa A. Galley, NJEA Staff of a ETS symposium that included Richard Rothstein, former New York Times national education columnist who currently works as a research associate at the Economic Policy Institute:
“As Rothstein explained, even if value-added measures are only used for 50 percent of a teacher’s evaluation, it will likely become 100 percent of the trigger for retention and pay decisions made by a supervisor. In other words, if every other aspect of a teacher’s evaluation is satisfactory, but the value-added score is low, those other measures will be deemed unimportant or incorrect. Conversely, if a teacher’s value-added score is high, the administrator will likely ignore other concerns about a teacher’s performance.”
Maybe the LA Times believes VAM scores should not be seen as the only way to measure teacher quality, but did the LA Times use any factors other than the VAM scores to create its effectiveness rankings?