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You excel in giving faint praise.
We can’t even call the former a conversation. It’s more like a monologue of the same deceiving claims repeated ad infinitum. I will happily provide citations if anyone wants to dispute this.
What does that even mean?
Schools chief apologizes to ‘good teachers’
Tanoos calls for state superintendent to advocate for public schools not ‘against’
“TERRE HAUTE — At Deming Elementary on Thursday, state Schools Superintendent Tony Bennett apologized to all the “good teachers” whose hard work has gone unrecognized in the push for educational reform and accompanying rhetoric.
“I am sorry to our good teachers who feel like they have been lumped in with bad teachers,” he said. To those who believe they’ve been unfairly criticized, “I apologize from the bottom of my heart.””
Dunbar High’s private operator ousted; ex-principal to return
Former Dunbar teacher: ‘Neglect, zero accountability’ at school
Why did Bedford fail at Dunbar?
Fenty’s loss in the DC Mayor primary?
The next word Ms. Rhee utters on “reform” should be an explanation of why Friends of Bedford failed.
She owes it to the school community.
She owes it to teachers like Jessica Lilly.
She owes it to the education reform movement.
And, she owes it to the kids.
No serious words from her on this issue, and she’s just a self promoting hack like Sarah Palin.
Andrew, will you get a response and publish it here?
In a way, you owe it as well.
For a minute,
I thought Andrew was referring to this Gates supported survey:
Adults blame parents for education problems
Any large organization knows that its success hinges on the quality of its staff, and education is no different. I do think that there is a tendency to conflate teacher performance with teacher quality: performance is influenced by a number of external factors whereas quality refers to just the intrinsic characteristics of the teacher. This study provides reasonable evidence that performance is sticky – that teachers with good performance tend to perform well and teachers with low performance tend to perform badly – but it’s important to remember that for any given teacher, there may be factors out of their control that either raise or lower their scores: administrative support, class sizes, nonrandom student assignment, induction programs, supportive school culture, etc. This is not meant as a get-out-of-the-rubber-room-free card for teachers who aren’t performing well, but there may be opportunities to maximize human capital if we remember that the context that any particular teacher is in affects his/her performance. This is particularly relevant with regards to teachers with middling value-added scores (ie most of them) who tend to have the most volatility in terms of their performance.
Good news for children: The majority of adults know full well who is most responsible for the education of children: the parents, of course! Now we’re getting somewhere! If push comes to shove, teachers will have the support of the American people, as always.
Most citizens know that it requires a partnership between home and school to provide the best possible education for a child. Anyone who says something else has another agenda. What is it?
As to the evaluation of teachers, even the Gates Foundation agrees that teachers are right: The best way to evaluate a teacher is by using multiple measures. Surprise!
Linda ‘n’ gang:
1) You are burning a straw man: no one has asserted that parents/family/community are unimportant in a student’s education. The argument reformers are advancing is that, despite the challenges offered by a student’s personal life, the student should still have the opportunity to get a good education. There’s absolutely no reason that poverty should preclude our efforts to better our schools.
2) You are appealing to belief: the opinion of the public does not refute any of the reasons or rationale for why we need to improve schools. Whether or not the public thinks parents are mostly to blame for education problems does not have any bearing on whether or not it is important to do everything we can to hold high expectations for educators as well as students, or for that matter whether or not ineffective teachers or parents are mostly to blame.
3) Along those lines, you are also completely misreading the polling results. Polling results showed that 68% of adults believe parents deserve heavy blame for what’s wrong with our education system–this does NOT mean that 68% of adults feel that parents are “most responsible for the education of children”. There’s a LOT that is wrong with our education system, but that doesn’t mean we can’t demand excellence among our teachers to continually push the bounds at which all kids can learn, and this survey certainly doesn’t imply that 68% of adults think it’s pointless to push for higher expectations of our educators.
4) Provide a citation (ANY citation) showing when/where a key reformer has blamed all teachers for education problems.
5) “The best way to evaluate a teacher is by using multiple measures. Surprise!”
“Surprise”? When was this ever contested??
parents are the majority of the problem because the majority of parents themselves say so!
yes, i forgot to mention, this is also an example of begging the question, probably the #1 most oft-used fallacy here on the eduwonk comment threads