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Andy,
Thanks for linking to your foil, Valerie Strauss’ piece on the “Manifesto”. The importance of the education media covering the full story and the reason why 75% of urban superintendents (the majority) wouldn’t sign the document is real news and is valuable to the discussion of education reform.
And maybe someday, you’ll learn not to be so snarky!
Valerie Strauss would have a better point if someone regarded as a good school executive had declined to sign and then written about it, not a couple of hacks. Andy may be snarky but he’s right, the schools in Buffalo suck.
Superintendent Ackerman withdraws name from ‘manifesto’
It turns out that Philadelphia Schools Superintendent Arlene Ackerman doesn’t really agree with the “reform manifesto” that appeared this week in The Washington Post and signed by16, scratch that, now 15, big-city school district chiefs.
That would be from “Mikey.”
Atleast “Mikey”, unlike Andy, didn’t sit on the Virginia Board of Education when it was putting out false and inaccurate data.
Phillip:
I see you’re back to your usual guerrilla commenting tactics, so I presume that you’re now able to answer my questions?
https://www.eduwonk.com/2010/10/superman-is-here-im-not-so-sure.html#comment-211516
More from “Mikey”, channelling Mrs. Ackerman:
Atleast “Mikey”, unlike Andy, didn’t sit on the Virginia Board of Education when it was putting out false and inaccurate data.
Er, make that Dr. Ackerman.
My apologies/
Me, misusing data:
Washington Redskins 17
Philiadelphia Eagles 12
Redskins won.
Chris, analyzing data:
While it may appear Washington won by examining the score, by disaggregating the data, I can show that the Eagles really won:
Passing Completion
Eagles 64%
Redskins 42%
Total yardage
Eagles 353
Redskins 293
Returning Yards
Eagles 128
Redskins 99
First Downs
Eagles 21
Redskins 16
4th Down Efficiency
Eagles 2-2 100%
Redskins 0-0 0%
Time of Possession
Eagles 32:57
Redskins 27:03
So, by disaggregating data, I Chris, have shown the Eagles played better football than the Redskins and beat them.
Marlowe:
Who are you going to believe, Chris’s analysis or your own eyes.
Phillip:
Yet another intellectually bankrupt comment.
First of all, you still (repeat, STILL) didn’t answer my two very simple questions addressed to you concerning the merits of the data I posted and the fallacies replete in your analysis of your own posted data. You’ve instead poorly attempted another deflection, this time with an analogy, which I will of course humor, on the condition that I consider you as intellectually dishonest as Edlharris until you somehow prove otherwise.
Now then, what has your analogy here showed us, if anything?
1) That you don’t know what “disaggregate” even means. Come on Marlowe, you can’t be this stupid. You’re not “disaggregating” the scores of the football game by deciding to broaden your analysis with 6 other completely separate variables. “Passing Completion” is not at all implicitly defined as a component of “Total Points Scored”. “8th Grade Math DC-CAS Scores”, however, *are* a component of “Total Math DC-CAS Scores. The initial failure on your part was ignoring the inherent error in drawing conclusions from aggregate data in making far-reaching conclusions about DCPS as a whole instead of attempting to disaggregate scores by grades, but really it seems that you don’t understand the difference at all and so your failure only compounds.
2) Were you to correctly disaggregate the football scores, perhaps you could do it along the lines of “Total Points Scored in the X quarter”. This would tell you more precisely when the Eagles began to lose, if the game was neck-and-neck until the end, on whom the blame should more fall for the loss, etc. The difference between reading the final score and analyzing the scores throughout the game is the same as the difference between passively reading the results and actively pursuing the causes for those results. You like to do the former, which is fine, but don’t pretend you’re engaged in the latter.
3) This analogy also wrongly implies, just as the final score is THE most important result of the game, that the aggregate data you’ve presented is THE most important data in determining whether to praise or stone Rhee. It’s NOT. Were we to disaggregate the data and find that secondary students showed large improvements every year since 2007 (which is the case), that information is just as important as how the district did overall. It would suggest that we consider what is happening in the later grades of DCPS to help students advance toward higher levels of proficiency.
4) And another thing: your aggregate data suggested the gaps CLOSED from 2007 to 2010. CLOSED! You’ve been going on and on about the difference between 2008 and 2010 in your elementary assessment of Rhee, but Rhee has been implementing her cruel regime of reform since the fall of 2007. If you want to at least bear a semblance of accuracy on this topic, you need to compare the 2010 test scores (the last time point of her tenure) to the 2007 test scores (the last time point before she started).
First of all, you still (repeat, STILL) didn’t answer my two very simple questions addressed to you concerning the merits of the data I posted and the fallacies replete in your analysis of your own posted data.
Chris you don’t read well or reason well.
I posted data, which you objected to because it didn’t show what you wanted.
I did not analyze the data.
You “analyzed” the data to show what you wanted to show.
That’s it.
“Debate” continued here: https://www.eduwonk.com/2010/10/superman-is-here-im-not-so-sure.html
Andy needs to brush up on his cultural literacy. I was confused why he refers to the Washington Post’s Valerie Strauss as “Mikey” — a reference to the four-year-old character in the famous Life cereal ads from the 1970s. Searching the Eduwonk archives for the first such reference, it’s apparently because “she’ll publish anything.”
Andy is probably too young to remember (I, alas, am not) but Mikey in the ad did not “eat everything” as Andy wrote. In fact, it was exactly the opposite. Mikey *hated* everything. Life cereal was different because “even Mikey likes it.”