It’s Up To You New York

Plenty of back and forth about the Common Core town halls in New York.  I’d seen snippets but not the entire meeting. Here’s a video of the entire forum. It doesn’t capture some of the audience comments/ or gestures, which some present described as way out of bounds. The fireworks are toward the end – you’ll learn a lot about Common Core and New York’s approach to it before that (the part about student privacy is especially interesting, it’s a legit concern and serious issue but there is clearly a lot of bad information loose about how data are shared).

Watch it and decide for yourself. My take is that much of it is par for the course with this sort of forum but the last 25 minutes or so are completely unproductive and at times off the wall.  When did a conversation like this become like a sports event where you blindly have a rooting interest? This exchange about all of it at Twitter is revealing.  NY Daily News ed board with a good take here.  John King is about as thoughtful as they come and has launched an outstanding school. I suspect that it’s because he’s unimpeachable on all those issues, not despite it, that this has turned so venomous.  It’s also not hard to see politicking about the next chancellor of the New York City schools in the immediate background.

9 thoughts on “It’s Up To You New York

  1. PhillipMarlowe

    Andy and the Daily News to parents:
    Shut Up and listen to the King.

    I wonder if the parents at Arlington County, VA Public schools would be spoken to in that manner?

  2. PhillipMarlowe

    Newsday is better:

    Earlier this month, state Education Commissioner John B. King Jr. thought he could back out of public forums on the state’s new education standards and testing after the first meeting became a shouting match. According to media accounts, the event in Poughkeepsie was so acrimonious that a person who pleaded with the crowd to settle down was himself shouted down. Two days after that meeting, King canceled four upcoming events, including one in Garden City.

    If King thought he stumbled into a brawl when he exchanged ideas with parents and educators about the new Common Core curriculum, it was nothing compared to the brouhaha that erupted when he canceled further exchanges. The response was so explosive that King had to replace the four canceled appearances with 12 new ones, including four on Long Island. They will be moderated by legislators. He also is adding another four that will be televised.

    King’s decision to cancel meetings without a plan for alternative forums came off as a whiny, embarrassing error. Parents and teachers are upset and fearful: That’s why these meetings have to happen. It’s not an excuse to cancel them. But calls for King’s resignation from legislators and educators are overblown. Test scores of third- through eighth-graders across the state plummeted about 30 percent compared with the previous year because the standards got tougher and the curriculum is new. The curriculum and its toughness are steps in the right direction. But parents are rightfully anxious about the changes

    .Listening to and understanding what King is trying to do, and in response, offering suggestions and alternatives that could make the adoption of the new curriculum smoother, should be the point of these forums. But if people want to scream and shout, then King, who works for these taxpayers and has admitted the Common Core rollout was clumsy and poorly explained, needs to sit there and take it.

  3. PhillipMarlowe

    The hateful, venomous parents are at it again:
    ALBANY, N.Y. – On Thursday a forum will be held in Albany to address concerns about the states implementation of new common core standards in schools, but many parents are upset that the event is set to begin at 4 p.m.

  4. Outraged educator

    This is a political off piece. Daily News billionaire owner is a neighbor of King’s patron fellow billionaire Meryl Tisch. They are part of the ultra rich oligarchy running NYC from a single zip code. King unimpeachable?
    His resume is so light he would have a hard time finding employment TEACHING in many schools… Where is his decade of demonstrated teaching effectiveness! He is all of 38 years old and there because he can address a demographic that Zuckerberg and Tish can not. That said, they failed to predict that the outrage and backlash would come from are like upsatae and Long Island, WHITE areas of influential folks who he can’t talk down to, look what happened when he tried! He lectures and when folks disagree he. Says we just don’t understand.. YES WE DO UNDERSTAND and HATE THE COMMON CORE. Let’s give control of schools back to local school boards, because these folks don’t care about our kids. They don’t use public schools and only seek to control them for their own interests. Meryl Tisch supported Cathie Black and David Steiner’s waivers… She rolls in Bloombucks circles of upper east side billionaires like they do, thus they must all be very qualified for a waiver… And what did Tisch ever do in education? She taught in yeshiva for a year before marrying into the fortune.

  5. PhillipMarlowe

    More rubbish from Dame Tisch:

    “We’re in the middle of a large reform effort,” Tisch told Capital Tuesday, responding to the criticisms. “People are feeling really unsettled. My admonition to everyone is: ‘Let’s tone it down, and let’s focus on the work.’

    “These ad hominem attacks from one side to the other, these rapid responses, are all about the politics of education. They’re not about the work of education,” she continued. “The work of education is preparing teachers to teach to a higher standard and implementing Common Core as a reality across New York state.”

    You see, any criticism of the Common Core, the SED, the Regents, the inBloom data project, or the state’s testing apparatus is an ad hominem attack.

    But Commissioner King calling parents “special interests”?

    Apparently that doesn’t meet the ad hominem attack threshold for Chancellor Tisch.

    Nor does it meet it for Andy.
    Unless it was to be directed to parents of students in Arlington County, VA Public Schools.

  6. PhillipMarlowe

    The thoughtful Dr. King:
    I messed up, but I am not fixing ny mistakes.

    ALBANY—The state Education Department is telling teachers whose evaluations were based on faulty data they will have to deal with their local school districts to make corrections.

    Some teachers, including many in Syracuse, are appealing their evaluations because the portion that is based on test scores either included students who weren’t in their classes or left students they taught off the list.

    But Education Commissioner John King said those grievances will have to be dealt with locally by school districts because it would be too difficult and time-consuming for the state to run the data formula again. Teachers were told to review student lists and verify their accuracy through an online portal in June, before districts submitted the rosters to the state.

    Because the formula compares teachers to other teachers with similar students, the state could not recalculate individual teachers’ scores without having to re-start the whole process.

    “There is a moment in time when you sort of close the file, and that is the information that is used,” King told reporters after announcing preliminary results of the evaluations last week.

    Or King The Jackass.

    needless to say, this would not be tolerated by parents at Bar_Croft ES in Virginia.

  7. PhillipMarlowe

    King , George III channeled:

    NEW YORK—In contrast to the angry crowds of parents who attended forums with the State Education Commissioner John King in other places, the speeches by many parents in New York City extolled his agenda.

    Photos from the forum show a speaker reading a printed note with instructions.

    The sheet, marked “Time sensitive,” read: “In the first minute, talk about how we have always taught our children, that if they work hard and apply themselves, there’s no limit to what they can accomplish.”

    “The Common Core Standards make sure that every child—no matter their background or zip-code—has access to an education that prepares them for life after school,” the instructions followed.

    “Common Core will ensure that every child, regardless of their zip-code, will have access to quality education,” said Natasha Muñoz, a mother of three from Bronx, in her speech.

    “In the second minute,” the sheet instructed, “talk about how some people will ask to slow down change and slow down coming expectations [sic] with Common Core. But they don’t speak for you as a parent because your child’s education is time sensitive and we need to put reforms in place that improve our schools now.”

    Several speakers used such “time sensitive” rhetoric, prompting cheers from a group holding look-alike banners which read “Our kids can hit your bar,” “Common Core,” or “Low Expectations” (crossed out with a red line in a circle).

    “End by saying: Thank you for the opportunity to speak,” the sheet concluded.

    Some of the Common Core supporters identified themselves as teachers with the Uncommon School charter chain. Others were members of StudentsFirstNY, a nonprofit connected to the Success Academy charter school network.

    The Success Academy charter school chain is the biggest in New York City with 22 schools. Eva Moskowitz, CEO and founder of the Success Academy Network, is on the board of directors at StudentsFirstNY.

    “I think it was rigged,” said Tracy Lynne, elementary school teacher and parent, after attending the forum in Brooklyn.

    Lynne arrived an hour early, just so she could sign up for the opportunity to speak. But all 45 spots were already filled. Most of the speakers praised Common Core.

    NYSED Commissioner John King, who famously said the parents at a Poughkeepsie forum were “special interests” brought to the meeting to disrupt the festivities, told Jessica Bakeman at Capital NY these Student Firsters and other pro-CCSS reformers using the printed up talking points were “not special interests”:

    ALBANY—For state education commissioner John King, some interest groups are more special than others.

    King kicked off a furor in October when he canceled a series of public forums on the state’s Common Core curriculum following an unruly public forum in Poughkeepsie that he said had been “co-opted by special interests.”

    King received a positive reception at a forum in Brooklyn Tuesday night—the first New York City meeting in King’s revamped statewide listening tour—before a crowd of of pro-Common Core parents reportedly organized by an advocacy group that favors the new curriculum.

    King said that was “categorically different.”

    “What would be the special interest there?” King said Wednesday, referring to the Brooklyn parents who praised the state’s adoption of the rigorous standards as well as controversial teacher evaluations.
    “What are they organizing around?”

    Why does the Professional Education Reform Crowd lie?
    Rhee, Hednerson, Klein, Bloomberg, Cerf, King, Tisch, Gates et al.

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