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		<title>By: declawing cats</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2012/07/no-child-left-behind-the-problem-is-not-the-policy-its-us.html/comment-page-2#comment-260569</link>
		<dc:creator>declawing cats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good info. Lucky me I came across your site by chance (stumbleupon).
I have saved as a favorite for later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good info. Lucky me I came across your site by chance (stumbleupon).<br />
I have saved as a favorite for later!</p>
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		<title>By: kids online store india</title>
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		<dc:creator>kids online store india</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice posting above here.I don’t think too many people DO believe that teachers alone can create a perfect student. Something else is going on now and we can only hope the taxpayers catch on soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice posting above here.I don’t think too many people DO believe that teachers alone can create a perfect student. Something else is going on now and we can only hope the taxpayers catch on soon.</p>
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		<title>By: PhillipMarlowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhillipMarlowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably mean 4 or 6 years of NAEP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably mean 4 or 6 years of NAEP.</p>
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		<title>By: Magic Show Brisbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magic Show Brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your informative and perceptive comment. The sad news is the Administration is agreeing to waivers that allow vague and actually unenforceable conditions in the future in return for relief today from pressure for educating disadvantaged kids.Though this article is full of error and ideology, as you point out, it is right about one thing: the pressure from NCLB to educate kids of color and poor kids is severely weakened.I guess we’ll have to wait for 2 or 3 years of NAEP data to see the real impact. But will we have the will or capacity to put Humpty Dumpty back together again then? It’s hard not to be pessimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your informative and perceptive comment. The sad news is the Administration is agreeing to waivers that allow vague and actually unenforceable conditions in the future in return for relief today from pressure for educating disadvantaged kids.Though this article is full of error and ideology, as you point out, it is right about one thing: the pressure from NCLB to educate kids of color and poor kids is severely weakened.I guess we’ll have to wait for 2 or 3 years of NAEP data to see the real impact. But will we have the will or capacity to put Humpty Dumpty back together again then? It’s hard not to be pessimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testing has become outrageous. The pressure that students face in light of schools needing to meet the “proficient” marker is not benefiting student learning at all; it is only hindering it. Students are becoming “tested out” because of the benchmark exams and standardized tests thrown at them every year. They are the ones suffering from this needless requirement. Of course schools need to have accountability for their progress, but to base it on how well students perform on one exam is not an accurate measure of success. There are other factors to consider here: test anxiety, whether a student had a good night sleep or even breakfast, stresses at home, etc. that can all vastly affect their scores.  Because of this, schools are then “punished” for means of which they cannot control. Clearly, No Child Left Behind is a contradicting title. 

As a result of the failed attempts of No Child Left Behind, schools that have been given waivers are to focus on college and career readiness which should have been the focus to begin with since, after all, that is why we teach. However, the stigma of student achievement has been taken away from the school districts as a whole and has been attached to individual teachers which is utterly unfair and counterproductive. And we are still back to the original issue: too much testing. There should be multiple measures of improvement taken into account rather than one standardized test. It is unfair to the teacher and it is unfair to the student. It seems as though no one has students’ best interest in mind; after all, it is about getting students to pass one, unfortunate, irrelevant test year after year that proves who is a good test taker and who is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testing has become outrageous. The pressure that students face in light of schools needing to meet the “proficient” marker is not benefiting student learning at all; it is only hindering it. Students are becoming “tested out” because of the benchmark exams and standardized tests thrown at them every year. They are the ones suffering from this needless requirement. Of course schools need to have accountability for their progress, but to base it on how well students perform on one exam is not an accurate measure of success. There are other factors to consider here: test anxiety, whether a student had a good night sleep or even breakfast, stresses at home, etc. that can all vastly affect their scores.  Because of this, schools are then “punished” for means of which they cannot control. Clearly, No Child Left Behind is a contradicting title. </p>
<p>As a result of the failed attempts of No Child Left Behind, schools that have been given waivers are to focus on college and career readiness which should have been the focus to begin with since, after all, that is why we teach. However, the stigma of student achievement has been taken away from the school districts as a whole and has been attached to individual teachers which is utterly unfair and counterproductive. And we are still back to the original issue: too much testing. There should be multiple measures of improvement taken into account rather than one standardized test. It is unfair to the teacher and it is unfair to the student. It seems as though no one has students’ best interest in mind; after all, it is about getting students to pass one, unfortunate, irrelevant test year after year that proves who is a good test taker and who is not.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffreymiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffreymiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bill, well said.  Still, most parents in most schools (white and middle/upper class) are satisfied with their schools, it seems.  I&#039;m sure there are some true believers but don&#039;t we know that from 1983 on, school reform was an exercise in political ideology first, making money second (commodifying education) and helping kids third, maybe.  And when it came to helping kids, the focus was always more on the class/race aspects of underperformance in schools, not rich, white kids in the &#039;burbs not making the grade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bill, well said.  Still, most parents in most schools (white and middle/upper class) are satisfied with their schools, it seems.  I&#8217;m sure there are some true believers but don&#8217;t we know that from 1983 on, school reform was an exercise in political ideology first, making money second (commodifying education) and helping kids third, maybe.  And when it came to helping kids, the focus was always more on the class/race aspects of underperformance in schools, not rich, white kids in the &#8216;burbs not making the grade.</p>
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		<title>By: bill jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not once heard a parent talk about how they are so happy and thankful that NCLB gave them &quot;transparency&quot;.

That word is public policy stuff.  Anyone who uses it is sitting in an office far from public education at the state or federal level or in some public policy think tank.  In fact, using that word may be the ONLY productive thing they do that day.

Why should I tell them that they are off message and not connecting with parents?  I want them to go away and leave math and science alone.

 I was concerned in watching a recent Reason magazine video clip in which an inner city charter school supporter for Chicago said that the school choice movement was &quot;off message&quot; with parents. Why give them bullets for a gun that they cannot aim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not once heard a parent talk about how they are so happy and thankful that NCLB gave them &#8220;transparency&#8221;.</p>
<p>That word is public policy stuff.  Anyone who uses it is sitting in an office far from public education at the state or federal level or in some public policy think tank.  In fact, using that word may be the ONLY productive thing they do that day.</p>
<p>Why should I tell them that they are off message and not connecting with parents?  I want them to go away and leave math and science alone.</p>
<p> I was concerned in watching a recent Reason magazine video clip in which an inner city charter school supporter for Chicago said that the school choice movement was &#8220;off message&#8221; with parents. Why give them bullets for a gun that they cannot aim?</p>
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		<title>By: bill jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent some time in Kenya on US Navy r/r.  I saw many people starving and dying from AIDS in the streets.  In talking to my host he put it pretty plainly, &quot;We cannot do many things for many people.&quot;

The &quot;tensile strength of the political system&quot;?  What is that supposed to mean? It is sloganeering.  Parents DO NOT WANT IT.  Now, if I were a conservative I would claim government intrusion.  If I were a liberal I would claim that it violates civil rights.

The ONLY defenders of this kind of testing are the MASSIVE MONOPOLIES that make hundreds of millions of dollars per year if not billions on NCLB.  Entire careers are built on this junk.

Imagine in 10 years we will have a president who will end mandatory national testing &quot;as we know it&quot;.  Parents are NOT convinced that testing is good for their child.  Mr. R, your side simply has NOT convinced them that repeated testing and data gathering is education and is good for their child.

Why, forty years ago there was no testing and the schools were better and the streets were safer and mom stayed at home and the family went to church and the freeways were not crowded and there was no poverty and gas was cheap.  Everything was better back then.  What has happened to us? Why are we testing so much?

Whoops.  There I go with that forty years ago dream.  I sound like a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent some time in Kenya on US Navy r/r.  I saw many people starving and dying from AIDS in the streets.  In talking to my host he put it pretty plainly, &#8220;We cannot do many things for many people.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;tensile strength of the political system&#8221;?  What is that supposed to mean? It is sloganeering.  Parents DO NOT WANT IT.  Now, if I were a conservative I would claim government intrusion.  If I were a liberal I would claim that it violates civil rights.</p>
<p>The ONLY defenders of this kind of testing are the MASSIVE MONOPOLIES that make hundreds of millions of dollars per year if not billions on NCLB.  Entire careers are built on this junk.</p>
<p>Imagine in 10 years we will have a president who will end mandatory national testing &#8220;as we know it&#8221;.  Parents are NOT convinced that testing is good for their child.  Mr. R, your side simply has NOT convinced them that repeated testing and data gathering is education and is good for their child.</p>
<p>Why, forty years ago there was no testing and the schools were better and the streets were safer and mom stayed at home and the family went to church and the freeways were not crowded and there was no poverty and gas was cheap.  Everything was better back then.  What has happened to us? Why are we testing so much?</p>
<p>Whoops.  There I go with that forty years ago dream.  I sound like a conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Attorney DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attorney DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John Webster&#039;s analysis of the situation and that it&#039;s not just &quot;poverty&quot; that&#039;s the problem, but culture as well. 

On one hand, we don&#039;t want to be judgmental and return to the days where teen mothers were ostracized and kicked out of school, etc.  On the other hand, let&#039;s not glamorize the choice to have children when you can&#039;t support them or raise them well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John Webster&#8217;s analysis of the situation and that it&#8217;s not just &#8220;poverty&#8221; that&#8217;s the problem, but culture as well. </p>
<p>On one hand, we don&#8217;t want to be judgmental and return to the days where teen mothers were ostracized and kicked out of school, etc.  On the other hand, let&#8217;s not glamorize the choice to have children when you can&#8217;t support them or raise them well.</p>
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		<title>By: PhillipMarlowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhillipMarlowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a number of schools serving poorer children, you will find 6 and 7th grade girls getting pregnant , usually by a guy atleast 5 years older than they.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a number of schools serving poorer children, you will find 6 and 7th grade girls getting pregnant , usually by a guy atleast 5 years older than they.</p>
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