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		<title>By: Smell of Fear</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-152533</link>
		<dc:creator>Smell of Fear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, Ed, had to keep it current and hipster -- just like those rat TFA&#039;ers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, Ed, had to keep it current and hipster &#8212; just like those rat TFA&#8217;ers!</p>
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		<title>By: hypnoseuddannelse</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-152114</link>
		<dc:creator>hypnoseuddannelse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the article and can use this in Denmark.
Thanks
Mads</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the article and can use this in Denmark.<br />
Thanks<br />
Mads</p>
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		<title>By: Edharris</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-151250</link>
		<dc:creator>Edharris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smell of Fear,
No Velvet Underground or Husker Du?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smell of Fear,<br />
No Velvet Underground or Husker Du?</p>
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		<title>By: Smell of Fear</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-151132</link>
		<dc:creator>Smell of Fear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Is it because Miss Rhee was a TFA at the time and her results are phony, so &gt;must be TFA and you?

Ah, the truth comes out!  Hear the footsteps of the young guns, do ya, EdHarris?

Don&#039;t hate, appreciate:

http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858495241/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Is it because Miss Rhee was a TFA at the time and her results are phony, so &gt;must be TFA and you?</p>
<p>Ah, the truth comes out!  Hear the footsteps of the young guns, do ya, EdHarris?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hate, appreciate:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858495241/" rel="nofollow">http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858495241/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-150566</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those criticizing Chris: If I come out in favor of tort reform and suggest that trial lawyers are blocking needed reform by using their political clout, am I being &quot;anti-lawyer&quot; or &quot;showing contempt for lawyers?&quot;  Or am I merely making a point that I think those particular lawyers and their organizations are doing something that is harmful to society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those criticizing Chris: If I come out in favor of tort reform and suggest that trial lawyers are blocking needed reform by using their political clout, am I being &#8220;anti-lawyer&#8221; or &#8220;showing contempt for lawyers?&#8221;  Or am I merely making a point that I think those particular lawyers and their organizations are doing something that is harmful to society?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Smyr</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-150475</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Smyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

1) Linda had never actually responded to the example you&#039;re giving.  All of her unfounded claims were directed at Eduwonk for outside blog posts that didn&#039;t jive with her own perspective.

2) For the last time, one can disagree with teachers and not have to be disdainful of teachers!  Why is this so hard to understand?  AGAIN, he is opining on the dumb decisions that were made by the union and voted on by its teachers, which held certain priorities (3 minutes in a day) over others (actual reform that would help students succeed).  Why does that mean to you that he is showing disdain for all teachers, or even THOSE teachers, by disagreeing with the actions taken there?

3) You&#039;re *REALLY* going to go down the road of semantics, and defend her because she didn&#039;t say he hates teachers, but that he holds contempt for teachers?  Really?? Because &quot;to dislike intensely&quot; is critically different than showing &quot;open dislike&quot; for something?  Even though the difference doesn&#039;t matter one iota and the claim is still just as disingenuous, still just as invalid, and meant to attack Eduwonk&#039;s character instead of to respond to his arguments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>1) Linda had never actually responded to the example you&#8217;re giving.  All of her unfounded claims were directed at Eduwonk for outside blog posts that didn&#8217;t jive with her own perspective.</p>
<p>2) For the last time, one can disagree with teachers and not have to be disdainful of teachers!  Why is this so hard to understand?  AGAIN, he is opining on the dumb decisions that were made by the union and voted on by its teachers, which held certain priorities (3 minutes in a day) over others (actual reform that would help students succeed).  Why does that mean to you that he is showing disdain for all teachers, or even THOSE teachers, by disagreeing with the actions taken there?</p>
<p>3) You&#8217;re *REALLY* going to go down the road of semantics, and defend her because she didn&#8217;t say he hates teachers, but that he holds contempt for teachers?  Really?? Because &#8220;to dislike intensely&#8221; is critically different than showing &#8220;open dislike&#8221; for something?  Even though the difference doesn&#8217;t matter one iota and the claim is still just as disingenuous, still just as invalid, and meant to attack Eduwonk&#8217;s character instead of to respond to his arguments?</p>
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		<title>By: steve f.</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-150452</link>
		<dc:creator>steve f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this comment not disdainful of teachers: 

&quot;Yet its teachers, who seek to be respected as professionals, are concerned about a couple of minutes in the workday?&quot;

It seems to me Linda is making the nuanced point that the language in which one uses to frame an issue matters. Eduwonk presents things, as you&#039;ve noted for me, with what Linda calls an &quot;anti-teacher bias to them.” This comment does not refer to direct statements - rather the manner (what&#039;s covered and not covered on this blog) and the language used to present issues.  The bias is apparent if you want to see it, otherwise you can deny it all the same for not being literal enough.  Needless to say, it is effective in framing the issue of &quot;reform&quot;.

Lastly, Chris, &quot;contempt&quot; and &quot;hate&quot; are not the same thing. Sorry to &quot;redefine&quot;, but in framing issues - words, definitions matter!

&quot;Contempt&quot; - lack of respect or reverence for something; disdain

&quot;Hate&quot; - to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest

If you want to define further - what&#039;s the definition of &quot;reform&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this comment not disdainful of teachers: </p>
<p>&#8220;Yet its teachers, who seek to be respected as professionals, are concerned about a couple of minutes in the workday?&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me Linda is making the nuanced point that the language in which one uses to frame an issue matters. Eduwonk presents things, as you&#8217;ve noted for me, with what Linda calls an &#8220;anti-teacher bias to them.” This comment does not refer to direct statements &#8211; rather the manner (what&#8217;s covered and not covered on this blog) and the language used to present issues.  The bias is apparent if you want to see it, otherwise you can deny it all the same for not being literal enough.  Needless to say, it is effective in framing the issue of &#8220;reform&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lastly, Chris, &#8220;contempt&#8221; and &#8220;hate&#8221; are not the same thing. Sorry to &#8220;redefine&#8221;, but in framing issues &#8211; words, definitions matter!</p>
<p>&#8220;Contempt&#8221; &#8211; lack of respect or reverence for something; disdain</p>
<p>&#8220;Hate&#8221; &#8211; to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest</p>
<p>If you want to define further &#8211; what&#8217;s the definition of &#8220;reform&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Smyr</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-150233</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Smyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t addressed it because it was (and still is) such a dumb question and has absolutely zero bearing on what was being discussed in that thread.  I&#039;m going to let you focus on the salient points of that discussion before we start shooting the breeze about stories we heard while on the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t addressed it because it was (and still is) such a dumb question and has absolutely zero bearing on what was being discussed in that thread.  I&#8217;m going to let you focus on the salient points of that discussion before we start shooting the breeze about stories we heard while on the job.</p>
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		<title>By: edlharris</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-150227</link>
		<dc:creator>edlharris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chris, 
I like this question to you that you have not directly answered:

&lt;i&gt;Mrs. Rhee’s “success” story is NOT told to the TFA trainees.
Why not?&lt;/i&gt;

And the comments concerned Miss Rhee and her truthfulness.
Just last week she gave us another example of her truthfulness:

&lt;i&gt;“I got rid of teachers who had hit children, who had had sex with children, who had missed 78 days of school. Why wouldn’t we take those things into consideration?”&lt;/i&gt;

When pressed, she admitted that there was only one teacher who was &quot;accused&quot; of having sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris,<br />
I like this question to you that you have not directly answered:</p>
<p><i>Mrs. Rhee’s “success” story is NOT told to the TFA trainees.<br />
Why not?</i></p>
<p>And the comments concerned Miss Rhee and her truthfulness.<br />
Just last week she gave us another example of her truthfulness:</p>
<p><i>“I got rid of teachers who had hit children, who had had sex with children, who had missed 78 days of school. Why wouldn’t we take those things into consideration?”</i></p>
<p>When pressed, she admitted that there was only one teacher who was &#8220;accused&#8221; of having sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Smyr</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2010/01/la-confidential.html/comment-page-1#comment-150205</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Smyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resent that I have to actually show you the comments, when you could simply look for them yourself to double check if what you&#039;re saying is true:

Linda said: &quot;If you read this blog regularly, you will get a feel for the contempt that many “reformers” have for our teachers.&quot;

I said: &quot;It seems in poor form to continually castigate Eduwonk for something (”contempt for teachers”) you honestly must know isn’t true.&quot;

Linda replied: &quot;I honestly DO believe it’s true and I want others to know about it. That’s why I comment. I believe a negative attitude towards teachers hurts education more than any other factor&quot;

Are we now going to redefine &#039;contempt&#039;?

Other claims made by Linda include:

&quot;I suspect ( that is, it is my opinion) that his eyes are on the money and not the kids.&quot;

&quot;Many times his comments have an anti-teacher bias to them. &quot;

&quot;As to actually helping children achieve, he couldn’t possibly have a positive impact because of his consistently negative views about teachers.&quot;

Again, all of these claims/opinions are unfounded.  The example you raised, Steve, is NOT an example of negative views toward teachers.  It is a negative view toward the contract itself.  Rotherham has not shown any disdain for teachers by strongly disagreeing with contracts formed with a subset of teacher&#039;s consent.  Disagreement doesn&#039;t imply negativity toward an opponent.  Certainly disagreement doesn&#039;t imply that he has contempt for teachers, or that he doesn&#039;t care about the kids as much as the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resent that I have to actually show you the comments, when you could simply look for them yourself to double check if what you&#8217;re saying is true:</p>
<p>Linda said: &#8220;If you read this blog regularly, you will get a feel for the contempt that many “reformers” have for our teachers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I said: &#8220;It seems in poor form to continually castigate Eduwonk for something (”contempt for teachers”) you honestly must know isn’t true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Linda replied: &#8220;I honestly DO believe it’s true and I want others to know about it. That’s why I comment. I believe a negative attitude towards teachers hurts education more than any other factor&#8221;</p>
<p>Are we now going to redefine &#8216;contempt&#8217;?</p>
<p>Other claims made by Linda include:</p>
<p>&#8220;I suspect ( that is, it is my opinion) that his eyes are on the money and not the kids.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Many times his comments have an anti-teacher bias to them. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As to actually helping children achieve, he couldn’t possibly have a positive impact because of his consistently negative views about teachers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, all of these claims/opinions are unfounded.  The example you raised, Steve, is NOT an example of negative views toward teachers.  It is a negative view toward the contract itself.  Rotherham has not shown any disdain for teachers by strongly disagreeing with contracts formed with a subset of teacher&#8217;s consent.  Disagreement doesn&#8217;t imply negativity toward an opponent.  Certainly disagreement doesn&#8217;t imply that he has contempt for teachers, or that he doesn&#8217;t care about the kids as much as the money.</p>
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