I voted in the last UFT election, and I certainly never saw that brochure. Most NYC teachers are intelligent to know that the UFT isn’t powerful at all, and that the alternative to Randi would be even less powerful and considerably less palatable to the outside world.

Hippy,

Teachers don’t have power, they have rights as employees because of US labor laws and because we have something called a contract. It allows us to teach, rather than clean the toilet. It prevents fly-by-night rising politicians from changing the face of education because they want to be powerful. No other group of professionals has the need to be protected from the whims of every windbag that blows through town, but teachers definitely do. The union protects us from having absolutely no input into our classrooms.

It was so scary, in fact, that fewer than 25% of working teachers bothered to vote at all.

It’s funny, with what’s going on in this country, that people can look around and determine the solution is making things worse for teachers. You’d think they’d want to make things better for themselves.

Everyone thinks they can comment on teaching and the education profession because they were once in school or are the parent of a student. Your comment shows the typical ignorance when it comes to “teach quality” and other aspects of education as an institution. Well, if teachers do sound like other professionals that you know, then why are they not remunerated and maintain a certain level of respectability as other professionals?

I think what happens here is that people see the word “union” and it does something to them, like evoking feelings of socialism or the Red Scare, something old fashioned and stupid like that. I just do not know where people like Hippy or whatever get some of their information. What is this about a school running without union approval? I seem to recall being able to choose whether or not I was in the union and still be able to work in a school. And this whole tenure thing, a really big misunderstanding from people who have no understanding of the profession.

Professionals that belong to unions, can’t be fired, believe their managers should play a “a more facilitative role rather than supervisory,” are granted tenure, are paid according to seniority plus a bonus for taking education classes that virtually everyone admits have no effect on teach quality, are allowed to veto decisions made by their employers, and constantly bitch about the Superintendant (no matter who it is).

Yep, teachers sound just like all the other professionals I know.

Oh, and many of them believe that any school run without union approval should be illegal.

Listen to yourselves. It’s not a real mystery why people don’t take teachers too seriously, especially when they talk about being professionals.

The larger problem here is that we do not trust teachers. A huge proportion of the public pays teachers a lot of lip service, including so-called reformers, but the bottom line is that no one really cares about teachers. It is a low paid, low status occupation and has been so for over a century. Teachers are expected to sacrifice themselves entirely for the student, and what population is expendable enough to lay themselves at the sacrificial altar each and every day: white, middle-class, women.

I would argue that teachers should have complete and total control of their labor, their curriculum, and their professional development as intellectuals. Start treating the profession respectfully and I think it will attract precisely the kinds of people reformers are seeking. Middle-level managers, or principals, should have a more facilitative role rather than supervisory. They need only manage the school and the students to the degree that teachers can adequately perform their job and not serve as the be-all-end-all curricular and pedagogical gatekeepers.

I’d suggest you have two things backwards in your doctor analogy.

First, it’s hard to compare doctors and teachers, because stigma against entering the teaching profession are high.

1. Lots of would-be teachers are discouraged from entering the profession by their family because “you’ll never be rich.”

2. Lots of would-be teacher applicants decide not to apply b/c they hear teachers bashed by the media and politicians.

3. Then Ed schools have to make certain their coursework meets State Certification Standards created by politicians, which really have little to do with training teachers.

4. Then student teacher programs are too short, offer little support and rarely place teachers in realistic teaching environments.

Secondly, the vast majority of doctors work in private practices and HMOs, performing the same procedures every day. They receive merit pay for seeing more patients and treating them as cheaply as possible. They will never have to cure 100% of the 20-30 patients they see 3-4 days a week. No government organization re-examines their patients to see if they truly are healed. Contrast that with teachers who are expected to see 150 students, teach them something new every day and undergo the scrutiny of administrators, parents and the state ed dept.

The best-paying teaching jobs are in the suburbs where the real estate taxes are higher, discouraging teachers from taking the tougher urban classes.

Doctors who take on the toughest cases spend very long periods with only one patient at a time and thousands of dollars of resources and support at their fingerprints. They are considered brilliant even if they only cure half of the tough cases.

I’d suggest you have two things backwards in your doctor analogy.

First, it’s hard to compare doctors and teachers, because barriers to entry in medical profession are high.

1. Lots of would-be doctors early in college change majors, because the bio and chem requirements are so hard.

2. Lots of would-be med applicants decide not to apply b/c their MCATs are low.

3. Then Med schools reject more than half of all applicants.

4. Then residency programs reject weak med school students.

Contrast to teaching:

1. American teachers come from lowest third of college grads.

2. Nobody who wants to get a masters in ed is ever denied.

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Second, doctors ARE rewarded for merit, and in fact it’s a badge of honor to take the tough cases.

What happens is best specialists are recruited to the top university hospitals. They go there because they LIKE to have the tough cases (more interesting!).

In some ways, it’s parallel to teaching, and in some ways it’s the inverse of teaching. Veteran teachers often avoid the toughest classes (inverse to doctors) and choose to teach honors courses (more interesting! – parallel to doctors).