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		<title>By: rickwestboard</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/the-most-compelling-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-7259</link>
		<dc:creator>rickwestboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin is right that the right question is how do we get enough educators committed to the welfare of every child and that this is a systemic question. The systemic solutions, though, can not be based on perpetuating the centralized control of searching for what David Tyack decades ago labeled &quot;The One Best System&quot; but instead on freeing small schools to innovate, differentiate, and dedicate themselves to serving their kids with their unique professional community, providing some incentives (that exist in almost every successful system in any endeavor) for quality and commitment. If kids are forced to attend the one school in their geographical region, teachers are protected from sanctions (and in fact assured raises regardless of effort, performance, or time working), and funding is relatively unrelated to enrollment or attendance, there will always be rational educators who will reduce their commitment to spend energy where there are additional rewards (whether economic or psychic). This does NOT mean privatizing education, but a real public school system would have an array of publicly accessible, distinctive, excellent schools to best serve the diverse needs of different students and families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin is right that the right question is how do we get enough educators committed to the welfare of every child and that this is a systemic question. The systemic solutions, though, can not be based on perpetuating the centralized control of searching for what David Tyack decades ago labeled &#8220;The One Best System&#8221; but instead on freeing small schools to innovate, differentiate, and dedicate themselves to serving their kids with their unique professional community, providing some incentives (that exist in almost every successful system in any endeavor) for quality and commitment. If kids are forced to attend the one school in their geographical region, teachers are protected from sanctions (and in fact assured raises regardless of effort, performance, or time working), and funding is relatively unrelated to enrollment or attendance, there will always be rational educators who will reduce their commitment to spend energy where there are additional rewards (whether economic or psychic). This does NOT mean privatizing education, but a real public school system would have an array of publicly accessible, distinctive, excellent schools to best serve the diverse needs of different students and families.</p>
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		<title>By: Iva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no one answer to solving the problems that are systemic within the public school.  But this was the first article I&#039;d read where someone connects some of the dots to a lack of competent Principals.  Principals are far too distracted by superficial issues such as what kind of shoes teachers wear and checking lesson plans to make sure they conform to the school division&#039;s template. Far too many Principals are too concerned with power.
All good decision makers need to identify the problem first, then  introduce solutions and alternatives to those solutions.
Dicussions about merit pay just serve to distract from the real discussions needed to improve our schools. This article and the comments are a great start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no one answer to solving the problems that are systemic within the public school.  But this was the first article I&#8217;d read where someone connects some of the dots to a lack of competent Principals.  Principals are far too distracted by superficial issues such as what kind of shoes teachers wear and checking lesson plans to make sure they conform to the school division&#8217;s template. Far too many Principals are too concerned with power.<br />
All good decision makers need to identify the problem first, then  introduce solutions and alternatives to those solutions.<br />
Dicussions about merit pay just serve to distract from the real discussions needed to improve our schools. This article and the comments are a great start.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GGW,

When systems work well, we hardly think about why or how they got that way.   We just appreciate it.

Our public schools system is a system of schooling that is mostly regulated by state laws.  Some federal laws apply as well.  As much as we tout the &quot;idea&quot; of local control.  Local school districts have very little influence over the educational aspects of our schools.  The tests are set by the states.  The curricula is developed by distant publishers.  There are fed requirements on schooling.  And really shouldn&#039;t we be talking about reponsiblity rather than control?  Who is responsible for ensuring that each and every child receives a quality education?  No one.

So in our chaotic, disfunctional school system, there really is no responsiblity whatsoever to ensure that each and every child receives a quality education.  We rely completely upon inertia and the goodwill of teachers to transmit as much knowledge/ideas as they see fit.  But this system is a system of status quo, not a system of improvement.  

But the status quo is not enough.  The achievement gap is huge.  Our best students are not being challenged and the average learning of our students is significantly lower than is seen in the best school systems around the world.  

There is much that we can learn from other systems that are designed to improve, but there is one caveat; education is an ideal, not a product.  Education represents our hopes and aspirations for our children, not a TV  or iPod.  So the non-educational systems need to be carefully considered whether the specifics of those systems will work well with education or not.  But nonetheless, there are lessons we could learn from changes in other systems.

Case 1:  The approval of new healthcare treatments in our country.  We have a very rigorous system of approving a new pharmaceutical treatment.  A company must prove to the FDA (a government agency) that any new treatment is both safe and efficacious before doctors are allowed to prescribe it.

Prior to the FDA system, &quot;snake oil&quot; really did rule the day.  Nobody knew or had any confidence that a prescribed treatment would work or not.  With our current system, the public is confident that any FDA approved treatment is the best possible chance of improving health.  The greatest benefit of this system is confidence.  Even if people do not recover from an illness, the public is confident that the best possible strategies were tried. 

Case 2:  Business systems have been all the rage in ed reform lately with a great deal of emphasis on &quot;testing and accountability&quot;.  Certainly many businesses operate very successfully using this model. (Set goals and reward employees based upon sales or marketshare.)  The downside to completely adopting this system for education is that in business &quot;the marketplace&quot; serves as the ultimate judge, but in education there is no &quot;market&quot;.  If the product failed in the market then the business failed.  

Failure is not an option in education.  Tests can not serve as an artificial marketplace.   Tests have a good role in evaluating learning but to use them to drive education mistakes the tail (tests) for the dog (education).  The goals of education *must* be first and the use of tests as only a feedback to determine if those goals were met.   Education is more akin to the commons and not the freemarket.

Case 3: Quality school systems around the world.  While not an explict model for the US, there is much that can be learned from Singapore.  Over the past 30+ years Singapore has dramatically changed their schooling system.  In the 1980s their high school drop out rate was ~25%.  It is now currently less than 2%.  During that time, their students&#039; learning increased dramatically in math and science (TIMSS) and more recently in reading (PIRLS).  How they did this is quite a story.  For more info check out:
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1121703274255/1439264-1153425508901/Development_Edu_Singapore_draft.pdf

But other school systems around the world are also designed to improve.  Even though there are dramatic cultural differences, the common elements that separate successful school systems form ineffective systems (such as ours) is:  

1) Checks and Balances in the school system to ensure that each aspect (teaching, curricula, assessments) of school is continually improved and every child receives a quality education. 

2) The use of external evaluations (little/no teacher grading) in determining how much students have learned. 

3) School autonomy in deciding curricula and in-school budget allocations

So it is possible to dramatically change our schools to enable our students to learn better.  But we need to start with a school system that is set up to ensure that each and every child receives a great education.  Our disfunctional, chaotic school system currently does not do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GGW,</p>
<p>When systems work well, we hardly think about why or how they got that way.   We just appreciate it.</p>
<p>Our public schools system is a system of schooling that is mostly regulated by state laws.  Some federal laws apply as well.  As much as we tout the &#8220;idea&#8221; of local control.  Local school districts have very little influence over the educational aspects of our schools.  The tests are set by the states.  The curricula is developed by distant publishers.  There are fed requirements on schooling.  And really shouldn&#8217;t we be talking about reponsiblity rather than control?  Who is responsible for ensuring that each and every child receives a quality education?  No one.</p>
<p>So in our chaotic, disfunctional school system, there really is no responsiblity whatsoever to ensure that each and every child receives a quality education.  We rely completely upon inertia and the goodwill of teachers to transmit as much knowledge/ideas as they see fit.  But this system is a system of status quo, not a system of improvement.  </p>
<p>But the status quo is not enough.  The achievement gap is huge.  Our best students are not being challenged and the average learning of our students is significantly lower than is seen in the best school systems around the world.  </p>
<p>There is much that we can learn from other systems that are designed to improve, but there is one caveat; education is an ideal, not a product.  Education represents our hopes and aspirations for our children, not a TV  or iPod.  So the non-educational systems need to be carefully considered whether the specifics of those systems will work well with education or not.  But nonetheless, there are lessons we could learn from changes in other systems.</p>
<p>Case 1:  The approval of new healthcare treatments in our country.  We have a very rigorous system of approving a new pharmaceutical treatment.  A company must prove to the FDA (a government agency) that any new treatment is both safe and efficacious before doctors are allowed to prescribe it.</p>
<p>Prior to the FDA system, &#8220;snake oil&#8221; really did rule the day.  Nobody knew or had any confidence that a prescribed treatment would work or not.  With our current system, the public is confident that any FDA approved treatment is the best possible chance of improving health.  The greatest benefit of this system is confidence.  Even if people do not recover from an illness, the public is confident that the best possible strategies were tried. </p>
<p>Case 2:  Business systems have been all the rage in ed reform lately with a great deal of emphasis on &#8220;testing and accountability&#8221;.  Certainly many businesses operate very successfully using this model. (Set goals and reward employees based upon sales or marketshare.)  The downside to completely adopting this system for education is that in business &#8220;the marketplace&#8221; serves as the ultimate judge, but in education there is no &#8220;market&#8221;.  If the product failed in the market then the business failed.  </p>
<p>Failure is not an option in education.  Tests can not serve as an artificial marketplace.   Tests have a good role in evaluating learning but to use them to drive education mistakes the tail (tests) for the dog (education).  The goals of education *must* be first and the use of tests as only a feedback to determine if those goals were met.   Education is more akin to the commons and not the freemarket.</p>
<p>Case 3: Quality school systems around the world.  While not an explict model for the US, there is much that can be learned from Singapore.  Over the past 30+ years Singapore has dramatically changed their schooling system.  In the 1980s their high school drop out rate was ~25%.  It is now currently less than 2%.  During that time, their students&#8217; learning increased dramatically in math and science (TIMSS) and more recently in reading (PIRLS).  How they did this is quite a story.  For more info check out:<br />
<a href="http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1121703274255/1439264-1153425508901/Development_Edu_Singapore_draft.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1121703274255/1439264-1153425508901/Development_Edu_Singapore_draft.pdf</a></p>
<p>But other school systems around the world are also designed to improve.  Even though there are dramatic cultural differences, the common elements that separate successful school systems form ineffective systems (such as ours) is:  </p>
<p>1) Checks and Balances in the school system to ensure that each aspect (teaching, curricula, assessments) of school is continually improved and every child receives a quality education. </p>
<p>2) The use of external evaluations (little/no teacher grading) in determining how much students have learned. </p>
<p>3) School autonomy in deciding curricula and in-school budget allocations</p>
<p>So it is possible to dramatically change our schools to enable our students to learn better.  But we need to start with a school system that is set up to ensure that each and every child receives a great education.  Our disfunctional, chaotic school system currently does not do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas J. Mertz</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/the-most-compelling-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-6839</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas J. Mertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that standardized tests are of limited value and far from the be-all-and-end-all of judging the quality of a school.

With that caveat, I think it is worth noting that the test scores from MESA aren&#039;t very impressive.  They are linked here: http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/documents/csap/csap_summary.html and here: http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/documents/csap/csap_disag.html.

2008, 10th grade reading, only 28% advanced and proficient.  For Free/Reduced Lunch, only 21.8%.

It is hard to tell without knowing the history of the school, but it looks like some significant drop out/push out issues too, with reductions in cohorts each year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that standardized tests are of limited value and far from the be-all-and-end-all of judging the quality of a school.</p>
<p>With that caveat, I think it is worth noting that the test scores from MESA aren&#8217;t very impressive.  They are linked here: <a href="http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/documents/csap/csap_summary.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/documents/csap/csap_summary.html</a> and here: <a href="http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/documents/csap/csap_disag.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/documents/csap/csap_disag.html</a>.</p>
<p>2008, 10th grade reading, only 28% advanced and proficient.  For Free/Reduced Lunch, only 21.8%.</p>
<p>It is hard to tell without knowing the history of the school, but it looks like some significant drop out/push out issues too, with reductions in cohorts each year.</p>
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		<title>By: GGW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GGW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, when you say &quot;that is not how systems are changed&quot; -- which is the analogous system you believe has changed, and serves as your model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, when you say &#8220;that is not how systems are changed&#8221; &#8212; which is the analogous system you believe has changed, and serves as your model?</p>
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		<title>By: John Dewey</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/the-most-compelling-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-6827</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all well and good to talk about allowing teachers to modify their instructional practices, but what about schools that dictate the type of instructional practices that must be used.  Jeanne Century, one of the people Obama has selected to advise him on education matters is not too tolerant of practices that go against the current edu-fads that constitute science and math education.  

I have written an open letter to Sen. Obama on his selection of Jeanne Century, located at:
http://ednews.org/articles/26924/1/Open-letter-to-Barack-Obama-from-John-Dewey/Page1.html

The letter cites a report of which Jeanne Century was one of the authors and is directed at principals of schools.  It offers advice on how to handle such &quot;recalcitrant&quot; teachers.  One option is to &quot;encourage&quot; them to leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all well and good to talk about allowing teachers to modify their instructional practices, but what about schools that dictate the type of instructional practices that must be used.  Jeanne Century, one of the people Obama has selected to advise him on education matters is not too tolerant of practices that go against the current edu-fads that constitute science and math education.  </p>
<p>I have written an open letter to Sen. Obama on his selection of Jeanne Century, located at:<br />
<a href="http://ednews.org/articles/26924/1/Open-letter-to-Barack-Obama-from-John-Dewey/Page1.html" rel="nofollow">http://ednews.org/articles/26924/1/Open-letter-to-Barack-Obama-from-John-Dewey/Page1.html</a></p>
<p>The letter cites a report of which Jeanne Century was one of the authors and is directed at principals of schools.  It offers advice on how to handle such &#8220;recalcitrant&#8221; teachers.  One option is to &#8220;encourage&#8221; them to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JennyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, more good insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, more good insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Sector is a policy organization with zero knowledge of how to teach the best instructional practices to teachers. I would not turn to that organization to improve the quality of education in the nation&#039;s classrooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Sector is a policy organization with zero knowledge of how to teach the best instructional practices to teachers. I would not turn to that organization to improve the quality of education in the nation&#8217;s classrooms.</p>
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		<title>By: tfteacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>tfteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John!</p>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When NCLB was first passed, our district was committed to a bipartisan tax increase and reform effort based on collaboration.  I frequently tested the waters, saying that there was nothing in NCLB that prohibited us from following our consciences as we invested the new money.  As I recall, my suggestion was always met with laughter. 

I later suggested to a veteran administrator that it was the educators, not the business and political communities, that implemented destructive “top mandates.”  He thoughtfully replied, “You are right if you look at the last five years.  We saw the law in the context of the last thirty years, and we knew what would be coming.  We have to take the long view and protect the very survival of the school system.” 

As is explained in The Turnaround Challenge, “instruction-driven” reforms that increase student performance in lower poverty and magnet schools are inherently incapable of turning around the highest poverty, neighborhood secondary schools.  Curriculum-driven reforms only work after a foundation of trusting relationships is laid.

Why did so many districts turn to “best practice” quick fixes, despite our best professional judgements?  With NCLB every consultant and their dog descended on schools with Power Point presentations (citing false and misleading data from the Education Trust and others), and above all their proposals had a price tag that poor districts could afford.

As the web site of your school implies, our goal should be a learning culture.  Lacking the time and money required to build such a culture, it is not surprising that so many school systems followed Cover Your Ass approaches to data-driven accountability.

The Education Sector web site is full of great analyses of policies similar to those that Obama has promised.  Combine the Ed Sector’s wisdom on educational issues, with the wisdom of Diane Ravitch on Accountability, and we would have a great synthesis.  Remove sanctions from NCLB-type testing and turn it into a Consumers Report, and we could then benefit from data-driven decision-making, and create the trusting relationships necessary for  balanced systems of accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When NCLB was first passed, our district was committed to a bipartisan tax increase and reform effort based on collaboration.  I frequently tested the waters, saying that there was nothing in NCLB that prohibited us from following our consciences as we invested the new money.  As I recall, my suggestion was always met with laughter. </p>
<p>I later suggested to a veteran administrator that it was the educators, not the business and political communities, that implemented destructive “top mandates.”  He thoughtfully replied, “You are right if you look at the last five years.  We saw the law in the context of the last thirty years, and we knew what would be coming.  We have to take the long view and protect the very survival of the school system.” </p>
<p>As is explained in The Turnaround Challenge, “instruction-driven” reforms that increase student performance in lower poverty and magnet schools are inherently incapable of turning around the highest poverty, neighborhood secondary schools.  Curriculum-driven reforms only work after a foundation of trusting relationships is laid.</p>
<p>Why did so many districts turn to “best practice” quick fixes, despite our best professional judgements?  With NCLB every consultant and their dog descended on schools with Power Point presentations (citing false and misleading data from the Education Trust and others), and above all their proposals had a price tag that poor districts could afford.</p>
<p>As the web site of your school implies, our goal should be a learning culture.  Lacking the time and money required to build such a culture, it is not surprising that so many school systems followed Cover Your Ass approaches to data-driven accountability.</p>
<p>The Education Sector web site is full of great analyses of policies similar to those that Obama has promised.  Combine the Ed Sector’s wisdom on educational issues, with the wisdom of Diane Ravitch on Accountability, and we would have a great synthesis.  Remove sanctions from NCLB-type testing and turn it into a Consumers Report, and we could then benefit from data-driven decision-making, and create the trusting relationships necessary for  balanced systems of accountability.</p>
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