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		<title>By: Sherman Dorn</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-7346</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman Dorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, folks. Here&#039;s someone who is NOT anonymous pointing out that (a) all of the comments critical of Jennings tagged to this entry thus far are by people remaining anonymous; (b) the worst thing thus far said about Jennings blogging anonymously that one can say from Greene&#039;s criticism (and echoed by Carey) is that she criticized a study that when in a digested form quoted (without analyzing) an article of hers; (c) if that&#039;s the worst mistake she&#039;s made in her life (and I&#039;m not convinced it&#039;s a mistake), I&#039;d like to have that record; and (d) you don&#039;t really want to be criticizing anonymous writing on public policy where an historian can see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, folks. Here&#8217;s someone who is NOT anonymous pointing out that (a) all of the comments critical of Jennings tagged to this entry thus far are by people remaining anonymous; (b) the worst thing thus far said about Jennings blogging anonymously that one can say from Greene&#8217;s criticism (and echoed by Carey) is that she criticized a study that when in a digested form quoted (without analyzing) an article of hers; (c) if that&#8217;s the worst mistake she&#8217;s made in her life (and I&#8217;m not convinced it&#8217;s a mistake), I&#8217;d like to have that record; and (d) you don&#8217;t really want to be criticizing anonymous writing on public policy where an historian can see it.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Kette Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6673</link>
		<dc:creator>'Kette Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cooler Heads:  This is getting tiresome.  If you did your homework, you could figure out the answer to your questions.  But it&#039;s obvious you won&#039;t be swayed by data.  Which university did you get your doctorate in education from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooler Heads:  This is getting tiresome.  If you did your homework, you could figure out the answer to your questions.  But it&#8217;s obvious you won&#8217;t be swayed by data.  Which university did you get your doctorate in education from?</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6661</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last point: the NY mag article did not mention her teaching background. So did she teach? Where? What? And how about the sociology grad school work for giving her the insight to know about instruction and reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last point: the NY mag article did not mention her teaching background. So did she teach? Where? What? And how about the sociology grad school work for giving her the insight to know about instruction and reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6660</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kette, have you read Eduwonkette lately? Does she write anything about teaching? No. Wanna guess why? No, instead she posts warmed over statistics on spending and on (stop the presses!) poor minority kids have lower test scores. Gee, I am so glad that we&#039;re relying on this kind of probing reporting to inform the policy debate.

It&#039;s kind of like letting Madonna dictate foreign policy. Sure, she&#039;s got a big mouth and opinions, but she&#039;s no expert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kette, have you read Eduwonkette lately? Does she write anything about teaching? No. Wanna guess why? No, instead she posts warmed over statistics on spending and on (stop the presses!) poor minority kids have lower test scores. Gee, I am so glad that we&#8217;re relying on this kind of probing reporting to inform the policy debate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like letting Madonna dictate foreign policy. Sure, she&#8217;s got a big mouth and opinions, but she&#8217;s no expert.</p>
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		<title>By: Growing chorus</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6639</link>
		<dc:creator>Growing chorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chitown: Just to clarify, I said that Springer did not cite Jennings in the published *journal article*, not the propaganda that is Education Next. It is more likely in Education Next (a magazine) that the editorial staff put Jennings quote front and center.

Either way, this misses the point entirely made on eduwonkette: the Springer paper has serious design flaws, and is inconsistent with other very good research on this subject (see papers by Reback and by Neal and Schwazenbach, both unmentioned in the fair-and-balanced Ed Next). I consider it quite responsible of her to point her readers to these facts, so they can make their own informed assessment. Nowhere did I see her use language that said, in effect, &quot;take it from me--anonymous blogger--that the Springer paper is wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chitown: Just to clarify, I said that Springer did not cite Jennings in the published *journal article*, not the propaganda that is Education Next. It is more likely in Education Next (a magazine) that the editorial staff put Jennings quote front and center.</p>
<p>Either way, this misses the point entirely made on eduwonkette: the Springer paper has serious design flaws, and is inconsistent with other very good research on this subject (see papers by Reback and by Neal and Schwazenbach, both unmentioned in the fair-and-balanced Ed Next). I consider it quite responsible of her to point her readers to these facts, so they can make their own informed assessment. Nowhere did I see her use language that said, in effect, &#8220;take it from me&#8211;anonymous blogger&#8211;that the Springer paper is wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 'Kette Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6535</link>
		<dc:creator>'Kette Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see.  Cooler Heads is not a teacher and never has been.  But s/he knows more about teaching than eduwonkette, because ... why?  No policymaker or sociologist knows anything about teaching?  Not the most persuasive argument.

Check out eduwonk&#039;s very first post about eduwonkette, http://www.eduwonk.com/2007/09/new-edublog-11.html, in which he describes her as &quot;an academic who taught for a few years in an urban school.&quot;  Hmm, Cooler Heads.  Maybe eduwonkette actually &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; know more about teaching than you do.  Of course, maybe Andy got this wrong too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see.  Cooler Heads is not a teacher and never has been.  But s/he knows more about teaching than eduwonkette, because &#8230; why?  No policymaker or sociologist knows anything about teaching?  Not the most persuasive argument.</p>
<p>Check out eduwonk&#8217;s very first post about eduwonkette, <a href="http://www.eduwonk.com/2007/09/new-edublog-11.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eduwonk.com/2007/09/new-edublog-11.html</a>, in which he describes her as &#8220;an academic who taught for a few years in an urban school.&#8221;  Hmm, Cooler Heads.  Maybe eduwonkette actually <i>does</i> know more about teaching than you do.  Of course, maybe Andy got this wrong too.</p>
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		<title>By: chitown</title>
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		<dc:creator>chitown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lest anyone be fooled by GC&#039;s comments:

*Springer&#039;s article in EdNext begins with a longish quote from Jenning&#039;s published work (fully attributed). In other words, he uses her work as THE counterpoint upon which to frame his article. If &quot;critique&quot; was the wrong word to describe Springer&#039;s treatment of Jenning&#039;s work, I believe most honest brokers would be dismayed by the lack of transparency involved in eduwonkette&#039;s retort. I wouldn&#039;t accuse her of outright deception, but I do think her actions ought to raise some questions about the value of a respectable media institution allowing its contributors to cloak themselves in anonymity.

*The &quot;she&#039;s-just-a-graduate-student&quot; argument holds no water. A month ago, GC would not have been able to use that argument because no one knew that she was &quot;just a graduate student.&quot; She was just an anonymous blogger who could have had any number of conflicts of interest safely hidden from public scrutiny. We could only speculate (and perhaps arrive at false conclusions... as per &#039;kette fan&#039;s beef). And who&#039;s to say the next anonymous blogger given free reign at Ed Week wouldn&#039;t possess such conflicts of interest? I will say again, bad precedent. How could we ever discredit said hypothetical anonymous blogger for being on the payroll Wal-Mart!?

For someone who so haphazardly throws around accusations of swiftboating, I would think that GC might have a little bit more concern about the use of anonymous sources and anonymous bloggers, especially by reputable trade publications that nearly every professional in the field consults. The potential for swiftboating is rife!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lest anyone be fooled by GC&#8217;s comments:</p>
<p>*Springer&#8217;s article in EdNext begins with a longish quote from Jenning&#8217;s published work (fully attributed). In other words, he uses her work as THE counterpoint upon which to frame his article. If &#8220;critique&#8221; was the wrong word to describe Springer&#8217;s treatment of Jenning&#8217;s work, I believe most honest brokers would be dismayed by the lack of transparency involved in eduwonkette&#8217;s retort. I wouldn&#8217;t accuse her of outright deception, but I do think her actions ought to raise some questions about the value of a respectable media institution allowing its contributors to cloak themselves in anonymity.</p>
<p>*The &#8220;she&#8217;s-just-a-graduate-student&#8221; argument holds no water. A month ago, GC would not have been able to use that argument because no one knew that she was &#8220;just a graduate student.&#8221; She was just an anonymous blogger who could have had any number of conflicts of interest safely hidden from public scrutiny. We could only speculate (and perhaps arrive at false conclusions&#8230; as per &#8216;kette fan&#8217;s beef). And who&#8217;s to say the next anonymous blogger given free reign at Ed Week wouldn&#8217;t possess such conflicts of interest? I will say again, bad precedent. How could we ever discredit said hypothetical anonymous blogger for being on the payroll Wal-Mart!?</p>
<p>For someone who so haphazardly throws around accusations of swiftboating, I would think that GC might have a little bit more concern about the use of anonymous sources and anonymous bloggers, especially by reputable trade publications that nearly every professional in the field consults. The potential for swiftboating is rife!</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6517</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have more credentials that eduwonkette. For starters, I am not a graduate student, but actually have a doctorate. It is actually in education, and is from a name brand university...one comparable to eduwonkette&#039;s. 

Sociologists see teaching through the lens of organization and institutions. But that&#039;s a bit like trying to understand medicine by considering the layout of patient rooms, or the distribution of patients into the rooms. it doesn&#039;t tell anything about the quality of instruction.

I&#039;m not a teacher, and never have been. But I&#039;ve studied enough teaching to know that there is a technical core of the work of teaching, and the few if any policymakers (or sociologists) bother to learn anything about it. 

The idea that a sociologist is blogging about teaching, on the EdWeek website, is a joke. The joke&#039;s on anyone who took her seriously. Please, Eduwonkette, go back to grad school and study the effect of the role of gender on automobile usage, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have more credentials that eduwonkette. For starters, I am not a graduate student, but actually have a doctorate. It is actually in education, and is from a name brand university&#8230;one comparable to eduwonkette&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Sociologists see teaching through the lens of organization and institutions. But that&#8217;s a bit like trying to understand medicine by considering the layout of patient rooms, or the distribution of patients into the rooms. it doesn&#8217;t tell anything about the quality of instruction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a teacher, and never have been. But I&#8217;ve studied enough teaching to know that there is a technical core of the work of teaching, and the few if any policymakers (or sociologists) bother to learn anything about it. </p>
<p>The idea that a sociologist is blogging about teaching, on the EdWeek website, is a joke. The joke&#8217;s on anyone who took her seriously. Please, Eduwonkette, go back to grad school and study the effect of the role of gender on automobile usage, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LA Times Op Ed was great.  Just because he hangs out with the wrong crowd at the EEP doesn&#039;t mean that Cory Booker isn&#039;t on the right track on most things.  Follow the medical model and we will get a deeper understanding of the complexity of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LA Times Op Ed was great.  Just because he hangs out with the wrong crowd at the EEP doesn&#8217;t mean that Cory Booker isn&#8217;t on the right track on most things.  Follow the medical model and we will get a deeper understanding of the complexity of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Growing chorus</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/09/editors-note-and-odds-ends.html/comment-page-1#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>Growing chorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone fooled by chitown&#039;s comments:

* The article he/she refers to (Springer, in the Economics of Education Review, and Education Next) does not contain a &quot;longish critique&quot; of her work, or any critique of her research for that matter. The journal article does not even cite her work (look for yourself). The only similarity is the research question of interest. Even there, Springer looks at low-stakes tests, and Jennings looks at high-stakes tests. Readers can look at these articles and judge for themselves.

* Jennings refused &quot;to reveal her own identity and open her own affiliations to similar scrutiny?&quot;  What affiliations does this graduate student have, exactly? As far as I can tell, she does not sit on the board of *any* advocacy organizations, and has not taken money from any of the usual suspects who fund the other bloggers. And somehow we&#039;re supposed to accept the critique of the likes of Jay Greene, who sits in a Wal-Mart funded faux academic department that doesn&#039;t have a counterpart in any other university, and publishes the vast majority of his work un-reviewed through the largesse of advocates? This makes no sense.

The fallout from the Jennings revelation has demonstrated one thing clearly: the education blogosphere is populated by bullies, who--having little substance to stand on themselves--turn to swift boat techniques to discredit those they disagree with. I don&#039;t blame her for going anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone fooled by chitown&#8217;s comments:</p>
<p>* The article he/she refers to (Springer, in the Economics of Education Review, and Education Next) does not contain a &#8220;longish critique&#8221; of her work, or any critique of her research for that matter. The journal article does not even cite her work (look for yourself). The only similarity is the research question of interest. Even there, Springer looks at low-stakes tests, and Jennings looks at high-stakes tests. Readers can look at these articles and judge for themselves.</p>
<p>* Jennings refused &#8220;to reveal her own identity and open her own affiliations to similar scrutiny?&#8221;  What affiliations does this graduate student have, exactly? As far as I can tell, she does not sit on the board of *any* advocacy organizations, and has not taken money from any of the usual suspects who fund the other bloggers. And somehow we&#8217;re supposed to accept the critique of the likes of Jay Greene, who sits in a Wal-Mart funded faux academic department that doesn&#8217;t have a counterpart in any other university, and publishes the vast majority of his work un-reviewed through the largesse of advocates? This makes no sense.</p>
<p>The fallout from the Jennings revelation has demonstrated one thing clearly: the education blogosphere is populated by bullies, who&#8211;having little substance to stand on themselves&#8211;turn to swift boat techniques to discredit those they disagree with. I don&#8217;t blame her for going anonymous.</p>
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