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	<title>Comments on: Murray Being Murray</title>
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		<title>By: rory @ parentalcation</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/08/murray-being-murray.html/comment-page-1#comment-3930</link>
		<dc:creator>rory @ parentalcation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GGW,

While I agree than inadequate preparation is a huge issue that must be addressed (count me in as a huge school reformist), I don&#039;t think the set up changes the overall point.

I think the key issue is whether the typical BA is required, even if every single kid in America is prepared to earn one.

My key agreement with Murray is that a Certification system for many occuppations would be a lot more cost effective and practical than simply requiring a bachelors degree that has very little applicability to the chosen field.

After living in Europe for many years, Germany and the Netherlands seem so have the most rational system of higher education.  There is a much wider variety of job training, apprenticeship, higher education options available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GGW,</p>
<p>While I agree than inadequate preparation is a huge issue that must be addressed (count me in as a huge school reformist), I don&#8217;t think the set up changes the overall point.</p>
<p>I think the key issue is whether the typical BA is required, even if every single kid in America is prepared to earn one.</p>
<p>My key agreement with Murray is that a Certification system for many occuppations would be a lot more cost effective and practical than simply requiring a bachelors degree that has very little applicability to the chosen field.</p>
<p>After living in Europe for many years, Germany and the Netherlands seem so have the most rational system of higher education.  There is a much wider variety of job training, apprenticeship, higher education options available.</p>
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		<title>By: GGW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GGW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Rory, I think you are right.  But that&#039;s not a small distinction.  

In your setup, the question becomes: 

Do we take inadequate preparation as a given and inevitable, and go from there, as Murray does?  

or

Do we focus more on legitimately preparing large numbers of people for college?   Murray takes this option off the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Rory, I think you are right.  But that&#8217;s not a small distinction.  </p>
<p>In your setup, the question becomes: </p>
<p>Do we take inadequate preparation as a given and inevitable, and go from there, as Murray does?  </p>
<p>or</p>
<p>Do we focus more on legitimately preparing large numbers of people for college?   Murray takes this option off the table.</p>
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		<title>By: rory @ parentalcation</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/08/murray-being-murray.html/comment-page-1#comment-3827</link>
		<dc:creator>rory @ parentalcation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the changed the words 

&quot;We will urge large numbers of people who do not possess adequate ability to try to achieve the goal&quot; 

to 

&quot;We will urge large numbers of people who are not adequately prepared to achieve the goal&quot;

then he is pretty much spot on isn&#039;t he.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the changed the words </p>
<p>&#8220;We will urge large numbers of people who do not possess adequate ability to try to achieve the goal&#8221; </p>
<p>to </p>
<p>&#8220;We will urge large numbers of people who are not adequately prepared to achieve the goal&#8221;</p>
<p>then he is pretty much spot on isn&#8217;t he.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler heads</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/08/murray-being-murray.html/comment-page-1#comment-3823</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooler heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murray has made a career out of taking kernels of truth and turning them into stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray has made a career out of taking kernels of truth and turning them into stupidity.</p>
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