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		<title>By: zerodeth</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/06/douglas-high-cross-examined.html/comment-page-1#comment-208189</link>
		<dc:creator>zerodeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 06:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you said a tv documentary, is something powerful, i agree because people  do beleive most of what comes on the TV and, thats a good article mate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you said a tv documentary, is something powerful, i agree because people  do beleive most of what comes on the TV and, thats a good article mate</p>
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		<title>By: Watch Treme</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/06/douglas-high-cross-examined.html/comment-page-1#comment-191459</link>
		<dc:creator>Watch Treme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howdy, I see all your writings, keep them coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howdy, I see all your writings, keep them coming.</p>
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		<title>By: TED Prize &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What to Watch in July</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/06/douglas-high-cross-examined.html/comment-page-1#comment-152223</link>
		<dc:creator>TED Prize &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What to Watch in July</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the consequences on the school of these and other policies.  After watching the film, check out this post on Eduwonk&#8217;s blog for another perspective on the school and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the consequences on the school of these and other policies.  After watching the film, check out this post on Eduwonk&#8217;s blog for another perspective on the school and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TCM</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/06/douglas-high-cross-examined.html/comment-page-1#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>TCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Principal made the comment &quot;You can&#039;t blame the students.&quot;
THE HELL YOU CAN&#039;T! No child should be left behind who really
wants an education but those who will do nothing to try to
obtain one just screw it up for those who do. Those who won&#039;t
attend or won&#039;t work when they do attend should be kicked out
or sent to one of those &quot;warehouse&quot; type schools that just
baby sit them until they are 18 and then half of them can go
out on the street and sell dope to the other half and we can
build another prison and another rehab center to accommodate them.

Once they see that an education is something worthwhile to be achieved not avoided they may come back.  Even it they don&#039;t, nothing is lost.  
TCM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Principal made the comment &#8220;You can&#8217;t blame the students.&#8221;<br />
THE HELL YOU CAN&#8217;T! No child should be left behind who really<br />
wants an education but those who will do nothing to try to<br />
obtain one just screw it up for those who do. Those who won&#8217;t<br />
attend or won&#8217;t work when they do attend should be kicked out<br />
or sent to one of those &#8220;warehouse&#8221; type schools that just<br />
baby sit them until they are 18 and then half of them can go<br />
out on the street and sell dope to the other half and we can<br />
build another prison and another rehab center to accommodate them.</p>
<p>Once they see that an education is something worthwhile to be achieved not avoided they may come back.  Even it they don&#8217;t, nothing is lost.<br />
TCM</p>
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		<title>By: Eduwonk</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/06/douglas-high-cross-examined.html/comment-page-1#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduwonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle--&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is actually one of the big myths about the law.  The tutoring and public school choice provisions of the law can redirect a state&#039;s Title I funding, arguably a loss of funds, but there are no provisions for schools to lose funds if they don&#039;t make AYP.  In fact, in general they get -- or under the law are supposed to get, more resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle&#8211;</p>
<p>That is actually one of the big myths about the law.  The tutoring and public school choice provisions of the law can redirect a state&#8217;s Title I funding, arguably a loss of funds, but there are no provisions for schools to lose funds if they don&#8217;t make AYP.  In fact, in general they get &#8212; or under the law are supposed to get, more resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anonymous&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is important to realize that when schools to not meet adequate yearly progress (AYP) they are at risk of losing federal funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anonymous</p>
<p>It is important to realize that when schools to not meet adequate yearly progress (AYP) they are at risk of losing federal funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NCLB requires states to do something about schools like Douglas and gives them money to do it.  How exactly Maryland&#039;s obvious failing at this obligation is the fault of NCLB escapes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCLB requires states to do something about schools like Douglas and gives them money to do it.  How exactly Maryland&#8217;s obvious failing at this obligation is the fault of NCLB escapes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Douglas High documentary can serve as testimony to conditions that persist in many urban schools. The experience that the viewer brings to the film will determine in large measure how they interpret the relationship between the school and NCLB.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My experience tells me that NCLB with its &quot;Just Do It(or else)&quot; paradigm is irrelevent to the pathology of a Douglas High. The film demonstrates that good intentions alone will not reverse the failures that preceded the vast majority of these students arrival at Douglas. Certainly the fact that two out of three teachers are not certified and that positions go unfilled well into the school year create an atmosphere of desperation. And a safe and orderly environment is an absolute precondition for school improvement and not apparent at Douglas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When Congressional policymakers make their next attempt at making lemonade out of the lemon that is our current federal education policy they would do well to review this film and ask themselves how their various proposals will specifically provide support to revitalizing not only schools such as Douglas High, but preemptively dealing with the conditions surrounding them as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Douglas High documentary can serve as testimony to conditions that persist in many urban schools. The experience that the viewer brings to the film will determine in large measure how they interpret the relationship between the school and NCLB.</p>
<p>My experience tells me that NCLB with its &#8220;Just Do It(or else)&#8221; paradigm is irrelevent to the pathology of a Douglas High. The film demonstrates that good intentions alone will not reverse the failures that preceded the vast majority of these students arrival at Douglas. Certainly the fact that two out of three teachers are not certified and that positions go unfilled well into the school year create an atmosphere of desperation. And a safe and orderly environment is an absolute precondition for school improvement and not apparent at Douglas.</p>
<p>When Congressional policymakers make their next attempt at making lemonade out of the lemon that is our current federal education policy they would do well to review this film and ask themselves how their various proposals will specifically provide support to revitalizing not only schools such as Douglas High, but preemptively dealing with the conditions surrounding them as well.</p>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know the joke, &quot;You can&#039;t get there from here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know we can find a way to get there and turn around schools like Douglass, or the school where I teach.  I hope Peggy is right about new efforts in Baltimore, and the millions of dollars of new money.  But doesn&#039;t that fit under the category of putting the cart before the horse.  Maybe we should have built capacity BEFORE the gamble of NCLB.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m glad that Chris Cross identified systemic problems as undercutting pre-NCLB efforts, and he does educational strategy, so I&#039;d like to ask him a couple of questions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Back when NCLB was passed, could he identify any scenerio where Douglass would be transformed by NCLB ACCOUNTBILITY?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;NOW, is there any new accountability proposal that would be key to any plausible scenario to turning around Douglass?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I appreciate the institutional history I just learned from Cross, but I think he misinterpreted the documentary.  The whole point is that NCLB is irrelevent to places like Douglass.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t oppose anything about NCLB except its ridiculous accountablity regime. I fail to see how the taxpayers will become more willing to invest in inner city schools because of NCLB, that largely failed while wasting billions, or a newer tougher NCLB. How in the world would a better system of blame and shame help attract the teaching talent required to turn Douglass around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know the joke, &#8220;You can&#8217;t get there from here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know we can find a way to get there and turn around schools like Douglass, or the school where I teach.  I hope Peggy is right about new efforts in Baltimore, and the millions of dollars of new money.  But doesn&#8217;t that fit under the category of putting the cart before the horse.  Maybe we should have built capacity BEFORE the gamble of NCLB.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that Chris Cross identified systemic problems as undercutting pre-NCLB efforts, and he does educational strategy, so I&#8217;d like to ask him a couple of questions.</p>
<p>Back when NCLB was passed, could he identify any scenerio where Douglass would be transformed by NCLB ACCOUNTBILITY?</p>
<p>NOW, is there any new accountability proposal that would be key to any plausible scenario to turning around Douglass?</p>
<p>I appreciate the institutional history I just learned from Cross, but I think he misinterpreted the documentary.  The whole point is that NCLB is irrelevent to places like Douglass.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t oppose anything about NCLB except its ridiculous accountablity regime. I fail to see how the taxpayers will become more willing to invest in inner city schools because of NCLB, that largely failed while wasting billions, or a newer tougher NCLB. How in the world would a better system of blame and shame help attract the teaching talent required to turn Douglass around?</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the first comments on the HBO documentary on Baltimore high schools that mentions the major restructuring and partnerships that have dramatically changed the face of BCPSS high schools starting in 2003 and ending its first phase in 2007.  And while it does mention them, it doesnt go into detail on the extent of the interventions and what it really means for BCPSS high schools in the current year.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While the system is still struggling, the schools themselves look very different as a result of several local foundations and Gates pouring millions into bringing innovation into the high schools via small school reform and outside operators.  Additionally, an evaluation of the reform effort was conducted collecting survey and interview data on the process and outcomes and culminating in a student level analysis of the impact of the reform on enrollment and academic outcomes.  It makes me  wonder why no broader commentary has appeared as a result of that work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While the documentary may provide commentary on urban high schools in general it is not an accurate depiction of what BCPSS looks like today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the first comments on the HBO documentary on Baltimore high schools that mentions the major restructuring and partnerships that have dramatically changed the face of BCPSS high schools starting in 2003 and ending its first phase in 2007.  And while it does mention them, it doesnt go into detail on the extent of the interventions and what it really means for BCPSS high schools in the current year.  </p>
<p>While the system is still struggling, the schools themselves look very different as a result of several local foundations and Gates pouring millions into bringing innovation into the high schools via small school reform and outside operators.  Additionally, an evaluation of the reform effort was conducted collecting survey and interview data on the process and outcomes and culminating in a student level analysis of the impact of the reform on enrollment and academic outcomes.  It makes me  wonder why no broader commentary has appeared as a result of that work.</p>
<p>While the documentary may provide commentary on urban high schools in general it is not an accurate depiction of what BCPSS looks like today.</p>
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