Comments on: Conversation on HS Dropout and College Access Crises http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html Education News, Analysis, and Commentary Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:45:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: john thompson http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html/comment-page-1#comment-627 john thompson Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:13:00 +0000 http://www.eduwonk.com/wordpress/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html#comment-627 Excellent post. I'd just add a reminder that creating the peer relationships and building the capacity for higher level academics is a people-intensive task. Like is confirmed by other research I've read in Eduwonk, the key to getting high poverty schools to the point where instruction and learning is conducted on high levels, is building strong relationships. Excellent post. I’d just add a reminder that creating the peer relationships and building the capacity for higher level academics is a people-intensive task. Like is confirmed by other research I’ve read in Eduwonk, the key to getting high poverty schools to the point where instruction and learning is conducted on high levels, is building strong relationships.

]]> By: Bella Rosenberg http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html/comment-page-1#comment-626 Bella Rosenberg Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:54:00 +0000 http://www.eduwonk.com/wordpress/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html#comment-626 Kudos to College Summit on its important work, but not so on its use of data. Two-thirds of new jobs require college education? But the research linked to that factoid says that, from 2000-10, 4 out of 10 jobs will require some postsecondary education; 40% is a lot less than 66%, and postsecondary isn't necessarily college. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, over the next decade, only 22% of job vacancies will require a college degree or more. The closest I could find to that 66% figure is this: about 60% of current employees have "some college," a phrase that includes entering and leaving college shortly thereafter. Even so, as a lot of secretaries, waiters, etc. know, the percentage of employees with some college tells us nothing about the percentage of jobs requiring a college education. None of this is to say that expanding and, especially, equalizing access to college aren't highly desirable for all sorts of reasons. But none of them is served by misleading data. Kudos to College Summit on its important work, but not so on its use of data. Two-thirds of new jobs require college education? But the research linked to that factoid says that, from 2000-10, 4 out of 10 jobs will require some postsecondary education; 40% is a lot less than 66%, and postsecondary isn’t necessarily college. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, over the next decade, only 22% of job vacancies will require a college degree or more. The closest I could find to that 66% figure is this: about 60% of current employees have “some college,” a phrase that includes entering and leaving college shortly thereafter. Even so, as a lot of secretaries, waiters, etc. know, the percentage of employees with some college tells us nothing about the percentage of jobs requiring a college education. None of this is to say that expanding and, especially, equalizing access to college aren’t highly desirable for all sorts of reasons. But none of them is served by misleading data.

]]> By: GGW http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html/comment-page-1#comment-625 GGW Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:30:00 +0000 http://www.eduwonk.com/wordpress/2008/04/conversation-on-hs-dropout-and-college-access-crises.html#comment-625 Great post. I love College Summit. <br/><br/>Question: Chicago did a study and found that just 3% of black and Hispanic 9th graders ultimately earned a 4-year college degree. Hartford ran the same study: it was 2%. <br/><br/>Have you been able to construct the "full pipeline?" <br/><br/>Ie, for Chicago, I'd guess:<br/><br/>3% graduate from college<br/><br/>17% graduate high school, enroll in college but flunk out -- low skills<br/><br/>10% graduate high school, could complete college, but never enroll....that's who you target....<br/><br/>20% graduate high school and either lack inclination or skills for college.... <br/><br/>50% drop out of high school<br/><br/>Anyway, that's what I made up. Do you (or anyone) have the real numbers? Great post. I love College Summit.

Question: Chicago did a study and found that just 3% of black and Hispanic 9th graders ultimately earned a 4-year college degree. Hartford ran the same study: it was 2%.

Have you been able to construct the “full pipeline?”

Ie, for Chicago, I’d guess:

3% graduate from college

17% graduate high school, enroll in college but flunk out — low skills

10% graduate high school, could complete college, but never enroll….that’s who you target….

20% graduate high school and either lack inclination or skills for college….

50% drop out of high school

Anyway, that’s what I made up. Do you (or anyone) have the real numbers?

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