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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a NYC 2nd grade teacher who has recently been excessed, after 2 years in a school I love, and a school that wants me. If it were at all possible they would keep me, and get rid of some of the tenured ineffective teachers who do not even want to teach anymore, but they like collecting their paychecks. I put my entire heart and soul into my teaching, I am dedicated, responsible, and go the extra mile. With the budget cuts troughout the entire city, I do not even see how I can possibly find a position, if every school is reducing their budget and excessing their teachers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I already did my job search, worked hard to secure a position, interviewed with various schools, and found the perfect match for me. Why should I be held responsible to find another position, especially when there are not enough positions to fill due to budget cuts. I feel some of the decision makers need to come to my class and learn math. It is virtually impossible to successfully place all the excessed teachers if every school is cutting back their budgets.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It makes me feel sad for NYC students, because ultimately they are the ones who will suffer. Qualified, talented, dedicated teachers will simply look for jobs elsewhere such as Westchester county and NJ. What a shame and stupidity from our city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a NYC 2nd grade teacher who has recently been excessed, after 2 years in a school I love, and a school that wants me. If it were at all possible they would keep me, and get rid of some of the tenured ineffective teachers who do not even want to teach anymore, but they like collecting their paychecks. I put my entire heart and soul into my teaching, I am dedicated, responsible, and go the extra mile. With the budget cuts troughout the entire city, I do not even see how I can possibly find a position, if every school is reducing their budget and excessing their teachers.</p>
<p>I already did my job search, worked hard to secure a position, interviewed with various schools, and found the perfect match for me. Why should I be held responsible to find another position, especially when there are not enough positions to fill due to budget cuts. I feel some of the decision makers need to come to my class and learn math. It is virtually impossible to successfully place all the excessed teachers if every school is cutting back their budgets.</p>
<p>It makes me feel sad for NYC students, because ultimately they are the ones who will suffer. Qualified, talented, dedicated teachers will simply look for jobs elsewhere such as Westchester county and NJ. What a shame and stupidity from our city.</p>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may not have made myself clear.  I have carefully read The Ed Sector report on Drive-by Evaluations, and the UFTs 360 degree accountability.  I wasn&#039;t commenting on the  TNTP report, except to indicate that those remaining 230 teachers shouldn&#039;t have to be sticking point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the NYP school system were to seek valid methods of accountability, we wouldn&#039;t have to worry too much about a few teachers that haven&#039;t been placed.  But it takes two sides approaching an issue in an honorable manner to make a deal.  Plenty of us in the teaching profession are seeking compromises that make it easier and more efficient to remove ineffective teachers, and raise our professionalism.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I certainly didn&#039;t expect a public answer, but I&#039;m asking what hard accountability advocates are doing to persuade Klein and his team to seek valid for of accountability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not have made myself clear.  I have carefully read The Ed Sector report on Drive-by Evaluations, and the UFTs 360 degree accountability.  I wasn&#8217;t commenting on the  TNTP report, except to indicate that those remaining 230 teachers shouldn&#8217;t have to be sticking point.</p>
<p>If the NYP school system were to seek valid methods of accountability, we wouldn&#8217;t have to worry too much about a few teachers that haven&#8217;t been placed.  But it takes two sides approaching an issue in an honorable manner to make a deal.  Plenty of us in the teaching profession are seeking compromises that make it easier and more efficient to remove ineffective teachers, and raise our professionalism.</p>
<p>I certainly didn&#8217;t expect a public answer, but I&#8217;m asking what hard accountability advocates are doing to persuade Klein and his team to seek valid for of accountability?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2008/04/all-edueyes-on-gotham.html/comment-page-1#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Thompson:  The data in the report make it look like there is a good informal evaluation system in place now, schools do not want most of these teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Thompson:  The data in the report make it look like there is a good informal evaluation system in place now, schools do not want most of these teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll follow the debate before forming an opinion of the TNTP report.  I&#039;d like to hear a discussion on your title, All Edueyes on Gotham.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What are the adavantages and disadvantages of using NYC as a model for national reforms?  I assume that anything that comes from the Klein/Bloomberg administration is a lie dow to the commas.  Smaller districts ought to be able to approach these issues in a more trustwothy way, shouldn&#039;t they?  After all, the key is to integrate the human element into multiple measures, and that should be easier on a smaller scale.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But, on the hopeful side, Ed Sector has expertise.  What have you done to persuade the Administration of the need for a valid evaluation system?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What would happen if NYC adopted an evaluation system along the lines suggested from the Ed Sector&#039;s publications, while the school grading system was established along the lines of the UFT&#039;s 360 degrees accountability?  Problems associated with a few hundred teachers would then shrink.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And since we all should agree on the importance of removing ineffective teachers - especially before they get tenure - shouldn&#039;t that be a strong argument for adopting real, evidence-based decision-making?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And if the concept of trust, along with social scientifically-defensible use of data, could be adopted, perhaps NYCs approach could be replicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll follow the debate before forming an opinion of the TNTP report.  I&#8217;d like to hear a discussion on your title, All Edueyes on Gotham.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are the adavantages and disadvantages of using NYC as a model for national reforms?  I assume that anything that comes from the Klein/Bloomberg administration is a lie dow to the commas.  Smaller districts ought to be able to approach these issues in a more trustwothy way, shouldn&#8217;t they?  After all, the key is to integrate the human element into multiple measures, and that should be easier on a smaller scale.</p>
<p>But, on the hopeful side, Ed Sector has expertise.  What have you done to persuade the Administration of the need for a valid evaluation system?  </p>
<p>What would happen if NYC adopted an evaluation system along the lines suggested from the Ed Sector&#8217;s publications, while the school grading system was established along the lines of the UFT&#8217;s 360 degrees accountability?  Problems associated with a few hundred teachers would then shrink.</p>
<p>And since we all should agree on the importance of removing ineffective teachers &#8211; especially before they get tenure &#8211; shouldn&#8217;t that be a strong argument for adopting real, evidence-based decision-making?</p>
<p>And if the concept of trust, along with social scientifically-defensible use of data, could be adopted, perhaps NYCs approach could be replicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Dorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Dorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The report is a starting place, Andy, and I&#039;m sure Klein/Bloomberg will try to use it to stir up headlines beyond today. But I suspect the Rubber Room is a far greater scandal in terms of both treatment of some of those in there (mixing up people who are on the wrong side of a principal with folks who are serious head cases) and also in terms of costs. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Despite your fears, I suspect that the documentation of general teacher support for the new system will be more important to UFT&#039;s leadership than the concerns about the long-term non-selectees (for want of a more gracious term). The latter is a serious issue that is both a practical matter and an issue of ethics. We&#039;re both outside Gotham, and I know better than to predict how the politics will play out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report is a starting place, Andy, and I&#8217;m sure Klein/Bloomberg will try to use it to stir up headlines beyond today. But I suspect the Rubber Room is a far greater scandal in terms of both treatment of some of those in there (mixing up people who are on the wrong side of a principal with folks who are serious head cases) and also in terms of costs. </p>
<p>Despite your fears, I suspect that the documentation of general teacher support for the new system will be more important to UFT&#8217;s leadership than the concerns about the long-term non-selectees (for want of a more gracious term). The latter is a serious issue that is both a practical matter and an issue of ethics. We&#8217;re both outside Gotham, and I know better than to predict how the politics will play out&#8230;</p>
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