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		<title>By: kb</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2007/11/us-news-pulls-rank.html#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>kb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not persuaded that this U.S. News approach to comparing schools makes much sense, particularly when they are missing a significant number of states, and are downplaying results of statewide assessments.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, how does Hidalgo H.S. rate so highly in this ranking when it is strictly middling among Texas high schools on the basic Texas accountability indicator (percent of students meeting standards for all tests) -- only about half are meeting that criterion. See &lt;a HREF="http://schoolperformancemaps.com/tx/#26.099801%2C-98.256054%2C13%2C3" REL="nofollow"&gt;this map&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a HREF="http://schoolperformancemaps.com/" REL="nofollow"&gt;School Performance Maps&lt;/a&gt; -- Hidalgo is the orange-yellow marker near the middle. It sounds like a school that's doing a great job with its students, but how can 95% be "college ready" if half are failing at least some of the state assessments? And Hidalgo has been slipping relative to other Texas high schools in the last two years (6th decile in 2005, 5th in 2006, 4th in 2007).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems like more valid comparisons can be made on a within-state basis, where there is more consistent data to work with. But I guess that's just not splashy enough for a U.S. News cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not persuaded that this U.S. News approach to comparing schools makes much sense, particularly when they are missing a significant number of states, and are downplaying results of statewide assessments.</p>
<p>For example, how does Hidalgo H.S. rate so highly in this ranking when it is strictly middling among Texas high schools on the basic Texas accountability indicator (percent of students meeting standards for all tests) &#8212; only about half are meeting that criterion. See <a HREF="http://schoolperformancemaps.com/tx/#26.099801%2C-98.256054%2C13%2C3" REL="nofollow">this map</a> on <a HREF="http://schoolperformancemaps.com/" REL="nofollow">School Performance Maps</a> &#8212; Hidalgo is the orange-yellow marker near the middle. It sounds like a school that&#8217;s doing a great job with its students, but how can 95% be &#8220;college ready&#8221; if half are failing at least some of the state assessments? And Hidalgo has been slipping relative to other Texas high schools in the last two years (6th decile in 2005, 5th in 2006, 4th in 2007).</p>
<p>It seems like more valid comparisons can be made on a within-state basis, where there is more consistent data to work with. But I guess that&#8217;s just not splashy enough for a U.S. News cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2007/11/us-news-pulls-rank.html#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended Thomas Jefferson high school (#1 in rankings) back in the 90's and have some objections to the data reported in U.S. News in two areas.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;First, the school is most definitely not 4.5% "minority", as reported.  It has a large number of asian and south-asian (Indian, Pakistani) students - around 40% last I heard - along with a small number of black and hispanic students.  The actual "minority" percentage should be about 45% not 4.5%.  If you click on the minority label in the story, it turns out that only blacks and hispanics count as minority individuals according to U.S. News.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second, I was discussing this with a fellow TJ alum this weekend, and we can't understand how Jefferson is not included as a "magnet" school.  As noted in the Dec. 5 Sam Freedman NYT article, the school draws from five counties, including Fairfax (one of the largest school systems in the country).  Additionally, it was specifically founded as a magnet school for Science and Technology.  If anyone can enlighten us on the magazine's decision to label TJ as "not a magnet", please do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended Thomas Jefferson high school (#1 in rankings) back in the 90&#8217;s and have some objections to the data reported in U.S. News in two areas.  </p>
<p>First, the school is most definitely not 4.5% &#8220;minority&#8221;, as reported.  It has a large number of asian and south-asian (Indian, Pakistani) students - around 40% last I heard - along with a small number of black and hispanic students.  The actual &#8220;minority&#8221; percentage should be about 45% not 4.5%.  If you click on the minority label in the story, it turns out that only blacks and hispanics count as minority individuals according to U.S. News.</p>
<p>Second, I was discussing this with a fellow TJ alum this weekend, and we can&#8217;t understand how Jefferson is not included as a &#8220;magnet&#8221; school.  As noted in the Dec. 5 Sam Freedman NYT article, the school draws from five counties, including Fairfax (one of the largest school systems in the country).  Additionally, it was specifically founded as a magnet school for Science and Technology.  If anyone can enlighten us on the magazine&#8217;s decision to label TJ as &#8220;not a magnet&#8221;, please do!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.eduwonk.com/2007/11/us-news-pulls-rank.html#comment-180</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay -- I am confused. We (those in Nashville) know that the level of education - i.e. quality has been dumbed down at MLK the #32 high school in this ranking. Of course the ranking is using incredibly stale data (2 years old). So how is this measurement really any better than the Newsweek data?  How do I as a parent of a high performing student really and truly know how good my child's school is?  We don't and never will. The test is after high school and after college. The answer is found in how well they do with life --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &#8212; I am confused. We (those in Nashville) know that the level of education - i.e. quality has been dumbed down at MLK the #32 high school in this ranking. Of course the ranking is using incredibly stale data (2 years old). So how is this measurement really any better than the Newsweek data?  How do I as a parent of a high performing student really and truly know how good my child&#8217;s school is?  We don&#8217;t and never will. The test is after high school and after college. The answer is found in how well they do with life &#8211;</p>
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